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It's here. This was long overdue, and I've been writing this for about two weeks as of now, so let's just jump into it already and cut the slack. Some of you were anticipating this, and I have to get it done with so I can finally go back to other Verses I've been trying to revise.
Introductio
Currently, the great majority of the RWBY cast is scaled to 8-A and MHS based on two feats that've been calculated at 110 tons of TNT, and a feat where Mercury and Emerald dodge a lightning bolt. I'm ignoring the MHS+ feats since they were already going to be downgraded down the line due to it being false lightning.
Ignoring any problems or difficulties for now and just taking both of these feats at face value, you can read my sandbox to fully understand the downgrade, as well as my reasoning behind it, which includes Respect Threads for Team RWBY. Let's proceed, shall we?
Attack Potency
Let's analyze the evidence for 8-A one by one.
Another scene that would go against the mythical 80 meters would be this one, where Team RWBY is just a few meters away from a relatively large Nevermore; notice how Yang and the others are comparable to the Nevermore's beak, which is consistent with what the Concept Art's values demonstrate.
In this scene, this is confirmed for good. A Nevermore gets knocked down and lands with its beak stretched right next to Ruby, and we can compare the two and see that Ruby is the same size as the beak. This would be impossible with 90m, since the previous scene shows the beak is a relatively sizeable chunk.
This feat is therefore not anywhere near 8-A, and only 8-C at best based on other feats it has. I redid a similar feat with the new variables and only got it to 8-C, some people over the OBD like Iwandesu also got similar results.
Let's look at the other impressive feats the series, ignoring the lower level feats that are from people orders of magnitude above V1 Weiss for now (although they will certainly be mentioned later):
As you can see, all feats below Weiss's 8-A feat are 8-C and lower. Rating all RWBY characters as 8-A based on one single feat now that the other one has been debunked, to put it nicely, extremely inaccurate. All low-ends should be taken into account, and every single feat needs to be checked when giving a character a certain rating. We can not and should not use the high feat without checking its consistency and how far away it is from the other feats in the series. We're taught to keep this in mind. So why should RWBY be treated any differently?
If you are still not convinced, let's take a look at the feats from characters confirmedly above Team RWBY, both pre and post timeskip, but below the verse's Tier 7s. From the top of my head, these are the most impressive:
To top it off, Weiss's feat was extremely casual. She went there, swung her sword and left, without even breaking a sweat. So tell me, why should a feat followed by uncountable 8-C+ feats from later volumes that they actually needed effort to accomplish, that contradicts much stronger characters only being baseline 8-B, and that Weiss did with no effort at all when she consistently has problems with anything higher than 8-C+ be accepted?
It goes without a saying in my view that it is an outlier.
Speed
As I said above, I will ignore Sun's feat because it is already getting downgraded. After the downgrade, they are supposed to become MHS. Let's see if that rating stacks up.
Moments after they dodge said lightning, Mercury fails to react to a hand-cast electric attack that noticeably fails to electrocute him or make his muscles contract. It just hurts him and knocks him back, which proves it does not even have the properties of real electricity. Furthermore, notice how far away he is from the attack compared to when he dodged the lightning. He was at the very least a half dozen meters away from the current, and still failed to react to it despite his supposed ~Mach 300 speed. Basically, he managed to react to a lightning bolt from a few meters away, but couldn't even realize the path a far slower projectile coming from much farther away.
Granted, one low-end showing doesn't invalidate the feat, it just casts doubt into it. Which is why we will now be looking at the next best feats the series has to offer. Namely, the immensely consistent supersonic to hypersonic feats. Just to name a few:
Countering the Counters
Some people have argued the 8-A feats aren't the only thing on that level, and that the series has multiple High 8-C feats and some 8-B feats to back its rating up. I have debunked that notion in spades here. Basically, most feats on that level have either been recalced at a lower level, have wrong calcs or only exist as high-ends, with lower level mid-ends.
Conclusion
RWBY's current ratings are flawed, contradicted by far lower showings, and some of the calcs used to get these ratings are just borderline wrong. Overall, the verse needs a severe rehash.
All 8-As are to be downgraded to 8-C+, with the exception of Penny and Pyrrha who should be 8-B. All of the god-tiers who are still scaled to the 8-A feat should also be downgraded.
Basically, all characters in the verse are to be downgraded to Hypersonic via scaling from Yang's Mach 6 feat, with those who are vastly above her gaining an "at least".
By the way, I don't really think the 7-Bs need to be revised. The Grimm Dragon does have 7-C and High 7-C feats to back their rating up, so I think the 7-Bs are fine. If anyone disagrees, please tell me why.
Introductio
Currently, the great majority of the RWBY cast is scaled to 8-A and MHS based on two feats that've been calculated at 110 tons of TNT, and a feat where Mercury and Emerald dodge a lightning bolt. I'm ignoring the MHS+ feats since they were already going to be downgraded down the line due to it being false lightning.
Ignoring any problems or difficulties for now and just taking both of these feats at face value, you can read my sandbox to fully understand the downgrade, as well as my reasoning behind it, which includes Respect Threads for Team RWBY. Let's proceed, shall we?
Attack Potency
Let's analyze the evidence for 8-A one by one.
- 1: The Nevermore, a Grimm that can be handled by Vol. 1 characters, has a 8-A feat.
Another scene that would go against the mythical 80 meters would be this one, where Team RWBY is just a few meters away from a relatively large Nevermore; notice how Yang and the others are comparable to the Nevermore's beak, which is consistent with what the Concept Art's values demonstrate.
In this scene, this is confirmed for good. A Nevermore gets knocked down and lands with its beak stretched right next to Ruby, and we can compare the two and see that Ruby is the same size as the beak. This would be impossible with 90m, since the previous scene shows the beak is a relatively sizeable chunk.
This feat is therefore not anywhere near 8-A, and only 8-C at best based on other feats it has. I redid a similar feat with the new variables and only got it to 8-C, some people over the OBD like Iwandesu also got similar results.
- 2: Volume 1 Weiss is 8-A with her ice
Let's look at the other impressive feats the series, ignoring the lower level feats that are from people orders of magnitude above V1 Weiss for now (although they will certainly be mentioned later):
- Redone Nevermore Feats (8-C+)
- Nora destroying a boulder (8-C+)
- Ruby displacing rocks and dragging a Nevermore up (8-C+)
- Yatsuhashi wrecking the battlefield in his fight against Mercury (8-C+)
- Nora's hammer feat (8-C+)
As you can see, all feats below Weiss's 8-A feat are 8-C and lower. Rating all RWBY characters as 8-A based on one single feat now that the other one has been debunked, to put it nicely, extremely inaccurate. All low-ends should be taken into account, and every single feat needs to be checked when giving a character a certain rating. We can not and should not use the high feat without checking its consistency and how far away it is from the other feats in the series. We're taught to keep this in mind. So why should RWBY be treated any differently?
If you are still not convinced, let's take a look at the feats from characters confirmedly above Team RWBY, both pre and post timeskip, but below the verse's Tier 7s. From the top of my head, these are the most impressive:
- Adam Taurus destroying the Spiderdroid (High 8-C+)
- Penny Polendina's airplane feat (baseline 8-B)
To top it off, Weiss's feat was extremely casual. She went there, swung her sword and left, without even breaking a sweat. So tell me, why should a feat followed by uncountable 8-C+ feats from later volumes that they actually needed effort to accomplish, that contradicts much stronger characters only being baseline 8-B, and that Weiss did with no effort at all when she consistently has problems with anything higher than 8-C+ be accepted?
It goes without a saying in my view that it is an outlier.
Speed
As I said above, I will ignore Sun's feat because it is already getting downgraded. After the downgrade, they are supposed to become MHS. Let's see if that rating stacks up.
- 1. Mercury and Emerald are lightning timers
Moments after they dodge said lightning, Mercury fails to react to a hand-cast electric attack that noticeably fails to electrocute him or make his muscles contract. It just hurts him and knocks him back, which proves it does not even have the properties of real electricity. Furthermore, notice how far away he is from the attack compared to when he dodged the lightning. He was at the very least a half dozen meters away from the current, and still failed to react to it despite his supposed ~Mach 300 speed. Basically, he managed to react to a lightning bolt from a few meters away, but couldn't even realize the path a far slower projectile coming from much farther away.
Granted, one low-end showing doesn't invalidate the feat, it just casts doubt into it. Which is why we will now be looking at the next best feats the series has to offer. Namely, the immensely consistent supersonic to hypersonic feats. Just to name a few:
- Weiss reacting to and timing sound waves thrice in a single fight
- Yang running ~50m in 0.02 seconds
- Yang dodging machine gunfire
- Coco dodging sustained gunfire
- Yang dodging RPGs, intercepting more bullets, and etc.
- Ren dodging sniper shots
- Ruby dodging shotgun shells, and intercepting bullets and blitzing their shooters, disappearing to Weiss, and etc.
- 2. A preschool Yang has a casual Mach 40 feat, which supports stronger characters being MHS
Countering the Counters
Some people have argued the 8-A feats aren't the only thing on that level, and that the series has multiple High 8-C feats and some 8-B feats to back its rating up. I have debunked that notion in spades here. Basically, most feats on that level have either been recalced at a lower level, have wrong calcs or only exist as high-ends, with lower level mid-ends.
Conclusion
RWBY's current ratings are flawed, contradicted by far lower showings, and some of the calcs used to get these ratings are just borderline wrong. Overall, the verse needs a severe rehash.
All 8-As are to be downgraded to 8-C+, with the exception of Penny and Pyrrha who should be 8-B. All of the god-tiers who are still scaled to the 8-A feat should also be downgraded.
Basically, all characters in the verse are to be downgraded to Hypersonic via scaling from Yang's Mach 6 feat, with those who are vastly above her gaining an "at least".
By the way, I don't really think the 7-Bs need to be revised. The Grimm Dragon does have 7-C and High 7-C feats to back their rating up, so I think the 7-Bs are fine. If anyone disagrees, please tell me why.
