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Medaka Kurokami vs Jill Presto

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I'm going to restrict High 1-B immortality so both have a fair chance of killing each other Reality Warping warping is nothing special

Her causality manip means she can change your past actions, like how he tried to heal/revive Mazikeen by making it so that she never went there in the first place.

She can also bring your death from the future to the present, or if there's a chance that you're going to die to something, then she'll make that possibility happen

Also her hax are High 1-B
 
She could, possibly, but if she's going for the kill, she'll like just bring her death to the present or make one of her possible death happen
 
The thing is though, so long as Medaka has All Fiction she can't die. So the past altering effect is by far the more useful skill here. Would Jill need to know specifics in order to change Medaka's past? Like would she need to know names, dates and whatever or just say you never learned something and presto no more skill?
 
Jill sees the past, present, future and possible future of everyone around her.She doesn't need to know anything, just by being near her she already knows everything about you

To undo the changes to fate/Destiny made by Jill, you have to counteract the power of The Basanos, or else your attempt to change what she's done will get nulled.
 
I disabled her High 1-B immortality so she can still be one shot by anything Medaka does, it's just who shoots first
 
TheSandman31 said:
There's a link attached to it, you can read about it there.
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Oh...so Medaka full power, like all the powers she copied from Ajimu, her power creation from Hanten, power mutability from Shiranui etc. Shouldn't she stomp here? She is infinitely fast even without AF and can just Bookmaker stuff, not to mention skill robbery and stuff.
 
Speed is equalized

I dont think its a stomp, both have a chance to kill each other, also all of Jill's hax are High 1-B in potency

Plus insane precog

"She can see their lives. The past straight like a wire. The future branching into a million filaments. What they are and were and what could be. There are no barriers, no disguises. There's nothing. Nothing she can't see."

But yeah, both of them can one shot each other

Jill oneshots Medaka due to the potency of her fate and death hax

Medaka can one shot her because Jill's only 9-A and her immortality is restricted

So, I dont think its a stomp
 
No speed is equalized doesn't count on Medaka, she has skills: "instant movement skill" and even without that, AF which again doesn't count as speed, it's a time stop.

She will always go first, again due to her powers "make the 1st move skill" which again i don't think it counts as speed. And precognition is kinda useless, i mean ok she can see what she's going to do, but how will she get past "if you are seen they die skill" or "skill robbery" or just flat AF + BM. Cus yeah seeing the future is cool and all and fairly strong but i don't think it'll do much good when u get haxed in more ways that there are possible futures.
 
>"skill robbery"

Medaka is not stealing High 1-B level hax. The very idea of that is laughable.

>"make the 1st move skill"

Gonna need to have some really good feats of "making the first move" to outpace this:

>"Cus yeah seeing the future is cool and all and fairly strong but i don't think it'll do much good when u get haxed in more ways that there are possible futures."

1. When "possible futures" in DC are effectively "timelines", which are confirmed in-canon to be infinite in number, this statement becomes hilarious just on general principle.

2. Seeing what a person has already done, is currently doing and will do, as well as what they could possibly do, on top of having the ability to alter their fate in an instant, means the possibility of Jill making an instantly fatal move against someone as ridiculously powerful as Medaka just jumped up to 100%. If she (Medaka) hesitates for even a moment, she's dead beyond anything her verse could ever hope to see, before she can even remotely realize just how badly Jill dwarfs her in terms of sheer hax potency.

OT: I'm voting for Jill due to precog and hax. If Jill can see the past, present and future as well as possible futures, AND has instant High 1-B fate/probability/etc. hax, then "who fires first" becomes "Jill sees Medaka's move coming and counters it the instant it's even thought of". Meanwhile Medaka doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at countering what Jill is bringing to the table, not even remotely.
 
Nice!
Hmm we have no idea what tier Ajimu is so it's not really "laughable" for her to rob skills. But it's unsure so imma leave that out then.
Death manipulation is useless on Medaka, no kind of death will kill Medaka due to AF.
Fate manipulation is useless. 1 of Medaka's skills is "invalidate fate" so yeah.
And again all possible futures, ok she knows Medaka will instantly time stop, how will she counter that?
 
Ajimu is definitely not High 1-B.

High 1-B Death Manipulation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All Fiction.

Same for Basanos level Fate Manipulation and "invalidating fate".
 
Hmm we have no idea what tier Ajimu is so it's not really "laughable" for her to rob skills. But it's unsure so imma leave that out then.
Unless the verse itself extends to High 1-B and both Ajimu and Medaka have a possibility of being that high, I can safely say that Ajimu being unknown doesn't matter here. Moreover, the profile says she can't learn skills which exceed her own physical limits, and also suggests that her being able to affect someone like Ajimu is entirely in question anyway.
Death manipulation is useless on Medaka, no kind of death will kill Medaka due to AF.
Again, unless she's reversed High 1-B level death manip before, she doesn't have the feats to survive it.
Fate manipulation is useless. 1 of Medaka's skills is "invalidate fate" so yeah.
See what Kal said.
And again all possible futures, ok she knows Medaka will instantly time stop, how will she counter that?
They both have instant-activating hax. Precog means Jill sees it coming, knows exactly what to do to counter (in this case, changing fate so that the timestop never happened, or making Medaka die the instant she timestops) and activates at exactly the same time. The act gets punted, plain and simple.
 
I am more curious why her profile says tier 9 if you are saying she is really a tier 1B smurfing?

her profile literally says human stats with room level AP

but you are claming all her stats and not just dura are 1B?
 
Because it's hax, not AP. Jill can't wave a hand and destroy the multiverse.

No one is saying that she is tier 1
 
AjimuPlaysMaplestory said:
I am more curious why her profile says tier 9 if you are saying she is really a tier 1B smurfing?

her profile literally says human stats with room level AP

but you are claming all her stats and not just dura are 1B?
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Her hax powers directly come from here. Jill herself, however, is Tier 9.

Nobody said anything about durability, also. Nor any of her other stats. Just her hax abilities.
 
if her 1B imortality is disabled then medaka 1 shots effortlessly

even with equalized speed medaka is still capable of having an action be instant with all fiction which is still > human level

also hax give characters a tiering so if she is 1B she should have 1B in her profile stated someplace like https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/SCP-1440

it is way too confusing otherwise if you have to stop and explain the character has nothing about tier 1B in their profile but they are somehow really a tier 1B

otherwise there is no way tier 9 hax will work on someone that far above their tiering
 
Speed equalization tells FTL+ to go home and be a family man.

Jill can also enact her powers instantly, so that's moot as well.
 
Ok, to be fair, there is something I should note.

1-B death manipulation that is just death manipulation, is not going to stop resurrection, even if said resurrection is not 1-B

However I assume it's entirely within Jill's skill set to make Medaka's fate to "die and not come back" instead of just "die".
 
AjimuPlaysMaplestory said:
fate cannot make things possible that are impossible
that is basically yhwach NLF saying he can choose a future he beats TOAA in
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How is killing Medaka impossible?

Also how is killing Medaka comparable to killing TOAA?
 
Ok,so nobody answered this the last time I asked, so I'll ask again and be more clear. Could Jill manipulate Medakas past so that she never met Kumagawa?
 
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