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Bleach- Lille Barro Upgrade

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Should Lille Barro be upgrade:

According to this accepted calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bleach_-_Energy_to_destroy_Soul_King_Palace the necessary DC to destroy the cities is 123.98 gigatons, which is large island level, so can that be scale to his Sabaki no Kōmoyō (Japanese for "Divine Light of Punishment")+ The new cities are as durable as rock.

Example of the rocks:


653Trompete fires
The Trumpt is a mix of his light attack with the X-Axis. Since this ignores conventional durability, it doesn't count as a feat.

I don't know. @Pietro Maximoff was the one to brought this to my attention. If the Calc was accepted for the old cities, the new ones should be more durable and the potency should apply.

Elite Quincy's MHS+ Update>

The sternrriter's after their revitalization by Yhwach, defeated the Zero Division that are at MHS+> You can't kill what you can't hit. All the Zero Division members are MHS+>Scale to be above Yamamoto and all the Gotei 13 combine.

Example:

Askin blitzed Grimmjow. Ichigo is now at MHS+ and he will be fighting Askin Nakk Le Vaar who should also be at MHS+ to even match him, the elite's should be scale by the Zero Division after been revitalized by Yhwach.
 
If that's a city then the attack looks about Island Level in overall power. Anything else seems like a guess since the attack isn't really visible.

As for the whole speed thing, refer to this. Ichigo isn't MHS+. Manged to catch post-almighty Yhwach off guard doesn't make sense because of Yhwach's Almighty. Yhwach didn't even show any signs of being caught off guard which makes this even worse.

Jugram isn't MHS+. As you can see in the link he was only called as such because of the assumption that he traveled there himself even though he teleported.

That means that the "should be equal to Jugram" Shunsui isn't MHS+ either, especially since he was also being powerscaled to Yamamoto for some reason. That means that Lille isn't MHS+ either.

Since Ichigo and Jugram aren't MHS+, Bazz-B isn't either.

Askin didn't blitz Grimmjow. He used his power against him while he was running away. There's a difference. He shouldn't be MHS+.

Basically just like SchutzenDunkelZiel1217 said pretty much all the "+" should go away from characters that I mentioned. Reading the comment section shows that this was apparently accepted so I don't see why these stats keep changing, especially when they all have assumptions putting them there.
 
^I do agree with removing the +s off of said characters, was shaky to begin with. and shunsui's MHS+ makes no real sense to me
 
Yhwach was in base when he fought Ichbei, Ichebei is defiantly MHS+, the elite four of the sternritter, that including Jugram and Lille Barro we're able to go up agaisnt the squad zero who are all around the same strength as Ichibei, Ichigo didnt just catch him off guard, he landed some blow's on Yhwach as well, who at base is MHS+ for keeping up with Ichibei while in his base form.

As for Askin yeah I agree with you there and with Shunsui.
 
Zero Division are MHS+>>>Quincy Elites where MHS only. Elite Quincy's Revitalize are MHS+ >>>>Zero Division. You can't kill or defeat what you can't hit. The Elite defeated Zero Division after been Revitalize. The other character's should be powerscale from them. Like Shunsui and the others.

Gerard Valkerye is MHS+ for landing a blow to Shutara. >.<

The elites that are MHS+ are Lille Barro, and Gerarld.

Askin is in standby until futher notice. But he should be too.

Can this upgrades by added or will someone highlight this?
 
Jugram and Lille Barro we're able to go up agaisnt the squad zero who are all around the same strength as Ichibei

^ Nope. Ichibei was regarded as the Strongest Shinigami by Yhwach and it showed in his ability to pretty much dominate him before he used Almighty. Yhwach is stronger than all his subordinates and said subordinates could fight against the Royal Guard after a power boost. That means that the rest of the Royal Guard can't be powerscaled to Ichibei.
 
Non-Bias said:
Jugram and Lille Barro we're able to go up agaisnt the squad zero who are all around the same strength as Ichibei
^ Nope. Ichibei was regarded as the Strongest Shinigami by Yhwach and it showed in his ability to pretty much dominate him before he used Almighty. Yhwach is stronger than all his subordinates and said subordinates could fight against the Royal Guard after a power boost. That means that the rest of the Royal Guard can't be powerscaled to Ichibei.
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They are not. They are powerscale to Yamamoto. The Zero Division is stronger than all the Gotei 13 combine.
 
Which was stated just to hype their power.

Mayuri and Nemu beat Pernida.

Shunsui and Nanao beat Lille.

And we know what's going to happen to the other two Elites. The Royal Guard was probably stronger than the average Captain, but they weren't stronger than all of them together as seen by portrayal.
 
Non-Bias said:
Which was stated just to hype their power.
Mayuri and Nemu beat Pernida.

Shunsui and Nanao beat Lille.

And we know what's going to happen to the other two Elites. The Royal Guard was probably stronger than the average Captain, but they weren't stronger than all of them together as seen by portrayal.
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No, the Zero Division was not exaggerated. The elites only defeated Zero Division, when Yhwach revitalized them and made them stronger.

Mayuri, used the Quincy technique to move and match Pernida's speed. Nemu fought Pernida which wasn't even moving. Pernida died by her own power.

Shunsui and Nanao defeated Lille Barro who wasn't moving, and he died by his own power as well.

The others are probably are gonna die by their own powers.
 
The problem here is the unconsciousness of the bleach speed, i mean, pre-blood war, all of them were Mach 29 (and when i mean all them is ALL OF THEM) except Monster Aizen and Post-Dangai Ichigo.

Then we jump to Massively Hypersonic (Around Mach 300) due to the Bambietta Shenanigans.

Then we jump again! to Massively Hypersonic (Around Mach 500) due to the arrival of ichigo at the Soul Society. After this we got Massively Hypersonic+ (Around Mach 3500) in the fight of Ichibe and Yhwach.

An then, Relativistic due to the mimihagi thing.

The unconsciousness of speed in the bleach verse is...uh.

And don't make talk about the OBD profiles. (Example: Kyoraku: Hypersonic+, Lille: Massively Hypersonic+)...
 
I agree with the upgrade his speed however is unjustified like many characters.Hes almost as fast as shunsui who's MHS+ via scaling from jugram who's MHS+ via scaling from Ichigo who's only possibly MHS+ scaling from Yhwach who had no MHS+ feats faulty powerscaling...
 
He fought ichibe and got wrecked and shot him from a distance via knowing wher ichibe would be thanks to almighty ....he has no feats as I said.
 
You didn't answer the question. Does that look like their thousands of miles from the palace? I'd love to know an instance were I was bias though. Enlighten me.
 
Non-Bias said:
You didn't answer the question. Does that look like their thousands of miles from the palace? I'd love to know an instance were I was bias though. Enlighten me.
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Actually there are two palaces. The fake one where Uryu and Jugram are with the Zero Division and the one where Yhwach and Ichibei are fighting in. Lol that photo just prove how they got there that fast.
 
In the image there you can see the real entrance where Ichibei is sitting at. The cage is in the entrance of the fake Palace. A calc with a 1 Ri will only give you a Sub-relativistic feat. Lol Why do you want one? If you're trying to downplay, that will make it worse.

He doesn't just send him 1,000 ri. He sends him twice:http://www.**********.com/bleach/605/12

http://www.t5forums.com/forum/the-vs-sections/general-discussion/calcs/107880-ichibei-s-speed

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen...spect-thread-discussing-power-levels-1615107/

Pick which ever you like.
 
So basically Ichibei's speed feat assumes that the Royal Palace is just as big as the entire Seireitei? I want to make sure that I'm understanding this correctly which is why I'm asking.
 
Non-Bias said:
So basically Ichibei's speed feat assumes that the Royal Palace is just as big as the entire Seireitei? I want to make sure that I'm understanding this correctly which is why I'm asking.
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Did you even read this right?

theoretically by appliying the high end of my seireitei size calc to Gallavant's calc and proxi to this we would get double the result, but that doesn't really matters... double result, not THE result.
 
Who knows? Calcs are hard for me to follow most of the time.

What I did see was this down below though.


Distance = real size/ retinal size

Distance= 59787.23/0.085

Distance= 703379.1764

As for time frame, well we see Yhwach hit the pavment thingy in front of spirit king's palace in the first scan.

Assuming Ichibei started to move when Yhwach was in peak height, we now he was there before Yhwach hits the floor as we can see ichibei speaking to Yhwach before the latter hit the floor.


^ So that leaves me with some questions.


1. What suggests that the Soul Palace is as big as the Seireitei?


2. Why was it apparently doubled?


3. How is it assumed that Ichibei arrived before Yhwach hit the floor when there's literally no panel of that happening?
 
Non-Bias said:
Who knows? Calcs are hard for me to follow most of the time.

What I did see was this down below though.
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1-It was no scale to it.

2-It was not double.

3-Because he was standing in the same place a panel before.

Now i know that you don't read. This guy is called a supporter of Bleach in the page? Shouldn't he be removed?

Also, Askin is getting Update in Speed he reacted to Nimaiya Speed and evade his attack.

http://www.**********.com/bleach/602/8

Read 3 pages from that. Good luck with your Bais.
 
1. Oh really?

"Now, we know from this calc by Gallavant, the Spirit king's palace is 59787.23 meters".

^ So why was it being used to judge the distance that Ichibei knocked Yhwach?


2. Not according to the comment section.


3. This page kills your entire argument because Yhwach was standing. The next chapter makes it worse, particularly this page since it literally shows Ichibei traveling where Yhwach was.


I was a supporter before ridiculous reasons was being used to upgrade for no reason.

Ichigo: MHS+ (Manged to catch post-almighty Yhwach off guard). Did Yhwach look caught off guard and did no one account for The Almighty?

Shunsui being powerscaled to Yamamoto? On what grounds?

Jugram: Small Country level+ via power-scaling, potentially higher (superior to Shikai Kenpachi). Oh yes, that's the face you make when you're stronger than the guy you're superior to.

I know there's more that I'm not considering which makes this even worse.

Don't worry though. I'll remove myself from the supporters since you care so much about it :)

And if you feel like Askin gets an upgrade for dodging someone under the effects of his power, go for it.
 
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