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Kid Goku vs Classic Sonic

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iirc, that's Modern Sonic that has that.

Granted, I'd still probably give it to Sonic. I'll explain why later.
 
Goku does have the edge in AP considering he fought Tien, who's feat is above 300 tons at bare minimum while sonic is somewhat above 200 tons. So he can break through the barriers that sonic pulls out, and the fact that he has superior martial arts skill to the point that he can make up a new fighting style to counter other fighting styles, as well as versatile ways to use ki would give Goku the edge here.
 
This version of Goku can't fly naturally; he doesn't gain true flight until his Low 6-B key. However, the Nimbus Cloud nullifies that disadvantage. Additionally, he could still fire Ki Blasts and Kamehameha's from midair. And he's also got the Power Pole giving him range advantage as well. Additionally, Goku is a far superior Martial Artist and has the AP advantage. Sonic's transmutation only works if he gets close enough, which he really can't while Goku has the nimbus cloud. Voting Goku for those reasons.
 
>DarkDragonMedeus said:
This version of Goku can't fly naturally; he doesn't gain true flight until his Low 6-B key. However, the Nimbus Cloud nullifies that disadvantage. Additionally, he could still fire Ki Blasts and Kamehameha's from midair. And he's also got the Power Pole giving him range advantage as well. Additionally, Goku is a far superior Martial Artist and has the AP advantage. Sonic's transmutation only works if he gets close enough, which he really can't while Goku has the nimbus cloud. Voting Goku for those reasons.
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>Can't get close to Goku

>Homing Attack
 
Not of Goku flies too high; there's a limit to how high Classic Sonic jumps. Additionally, even if he tried, Goku could still blast him away with a Kamahameha or whack him away with the Power Pole like a fly swatter.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Not of Goku flies to0 high; there's a limit to how high Classic Sonic jumps. Additionally, even if he tried, Goku could still blast him away with a Kamahameha or whack him away with the Power Pole like a fly swatter.
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This form of Goku can't just spam Kamehameha like you're saying he can. Also, if Goku just "keep's on going up" then there's no fight, so that's not an argument. You're also implying Sonic can't just grab the power pole, pull Goku closer, and transmute him, thus winning. Also, if Goku tries hand to hand combat..., well, that's him getting close to Sonic, which means transmutation. Goku's best shot is to use his nimbus to charge ki in the sky and use kamehameha every once in a while, and drain sonic's stamina.
 
Sonic isn't physically strong enough to Pull Goku closer. Grabbing the Power Pole would just enable Goku to just hit the ground continuously and beat Sonic up. And no, he doesn't spam Kamahameha, but the blast itself is a continuous blast with great AoE and massive push back. Once is good enough.
 
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Sonic isn't physically strong enough to Pull Goku closer. Grabbing the Power Pole would just enable Goku to just hit the ground continuously and beat Sonic up. And no, he doesn't spam Kamahameha, but the blast itself is a continuous blast with great AoE and massive push back. Once is good enough.
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For one, you're assuming Goku will one shot Sonic with Kamehameha, which he won't, if we're using the information glassman12 provided us. Second, what do you mean Sonic isn't storng enough to pull Goku closer? He has Multi-city block level AP and class 10 lifting strength, which is more then enough to grab a power pull and suddenly pull someone. Goku's nimbus can't just keep him in place. Also, no, if Sonic is close enough to grab the power pole, that's an auto homing attack/spin dash into transmutation, and that's if he can't just pull the pole, get goku off the nimbus, and transmute him.
 
Never said it oneshots him, but it doesn't do massive damage. Also, Goku has stronger striking strength and Class K Lifting feats do exist among kid Goku. Goku would me pushing the opposite direction and overpowering Sonic making Sonic the one getting ragdolled. Also, that last thing sounds exclusive to Modern Sonic, I've never seen Classic Sonic do anything like that.

Additionally, Goku defeated Monster Carrot, who's got an ability similar to Sonic's Ring transmutation ability.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Never said it oneshots him, but it doesn't do massive damage. Also, Goku has stronger striking strength and Class K Lifting feats do exist among kid Goku. Goku would me pushing the opposite direction and overpowering Sonic making Sonic the one getting ragdolled. Also, that last thing sounds exclusive to Modern Sonic, I've never seen Classic Sonic do anything like that.
Additionally, Goku defeated Monster Carrot, who's got an ability similar to Sonic's Ring transmutation ability.
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Well..., you understand if it doesn't one shot him, Goku will be tired after using that move, giving Sonic an edge, so kamehameha is almost irrelevant. Also, I don't think you're understanding how a power pole struggle would play out. If sonic will consistently be pulling, especially if he's on the ground, then Goku pushing back will just..., keep him on the ground. Besides, if Goku pushes, then that just puts him closer to the ground, making him more suspectible to homing attack/spin dash into transmutation gg. Also, Spin dash isn't exclusive to modern sonic, I'm not sure where you got that from. If anything, Classic Sonic uses it more. Also, Monster Carrot is nowhere near as powerful or as versatile as Sonic, so just because he beat someone with a similar ability doesn't mean anything. But let's say we actually consider your argument. So does beating someone with superhuman physical characteristics mean you can beat anyone with superhuman physical characteristics? Ya see how that's flawed?
 
I never said that, and stop using long quotes. Anyway, Goku can still pull harder than Sonic can, and Goku still swings the Power pole harder than Sonic can grip it. Meaning if he tries to grip it, he's still end up with a severely injured arm. Yes, Classic Sonic can spin dash through loops and turns, but Classic Sonic has never been shown to do that on grind rails or poles.

Goku isn't tired after using one Kamahameha, he there've been times he's used it multiple times and still had plenty of energy/fight left in him.
 
I was going to stop anyway, you don't need to tell me that. Also: "I never said that", elaborate, since my example shows why what you said is flawed, and if you don't believe that, then actually refute it. Sonic's arm won't be injured since he has his durability. Also, Classic Sonic has been shown "grinding" on rails, or rolling on them, however you want to put it. Regardless, the harder Goku pushes, the closer he gets to Sonic, which is why pulling the power pole is a legit strategy now matter how you put it.
 
"So does beating someone with superhuman physical characteristics mean you can beat anyone with superhuman physical characteristics?" I never said or even remotely implied that. Yes, Classic Sonic does have Multi-City Block level Durability, but it's still lower than Goku's striking strength. It will still do significant damage to Sonic's arm if Sonic tries to grip the power pole while swinging it.

Also, I said Goku can pull harder than Sonic can or tilt it upward to get Sonic off the ground. Also, Sonic would probably already be air borne and he can't really use his arms mid summersault. So Goku can still flyswat him with his power pole or launch him away like a homerun bat.
 
Sonic can still dodge both the power pole and ki blasts with time break so that's not really going to help. And if goku does get in close he could get transmutated.
 
Also classic sonic can use the wisp as well like the other characters. Wisp he can use are cyan laser, indigo asteroid, red burst, yellow drill, and pink spikes.
 
It was an example to show you how flawed your argument was. You brought up Goku beating someone with a similar power as if it mattered, so I used an example. Even if what I said wasn't your argument, just because Goku beat a guy with significantly lower stats then Sonic doesn't mean anything.

Also, you still don't seem to understand that Goku doesn't want to be in a power pole struggle, because if he pulls up, thus flinging sonic in the air, he basically loses to lolhomingattack. Goku loses if Sonic can close the distance, and throwing Sonic into the air is the worst way to go about this fight unless you want lolhomingattack into loltransmutation. Also, how would Sonic be airborne if he has no flight? The airborne thing would be shortlived so he'd just spindash along the pole since it's not that much different from a rail except for the fact it's being shaken by a person. But Sonic grinding/spin dashing while things are in chaos is nothing new to him. You're really underplaying Sonic's combos of Spin Dash/Homing Attack into Transmutation. I'm also positive Sonic could homing attack into the pole, and then into Goku and loltransmute. Sonic has homing attacked weapons before.
 
Sonic leads with homing attack, which is a jump attack. Albeit not high enough to reach Goku, he'd still be briefly airborne which is a perfect opportunity to homerun power pole Sonic.
 
@blueblur no it doesn't help him at all. Time break slows down Sonic as well, which makes it a pretty shitty time slow. And again, classic sonic doesn't have that ability.
 
Yes it does it gives him better reaction time and classic sonic can use it. Also sonic has the indigo asteroid as well so even if goku uses the pole it going to be torn and suck in to sonic .
 
Also the way y'all are saying goku wins isn't true as goku doesn't even use the nimbus cloud in combat iirc and doesn't use the power pole just to push his opponent away he uses it more like a sword in combat not for ranged attacks.
 
Yes he has used the nimbus cloud in combat before. Also stop using abilities that Modern Sonic has, Classic sonic doesn't have any of those abilities.
 
Big facts, I cannot for the life of me find an exsmplebof classic sonic using time break. Even if he could it would not help him much as goku would still by spamming kamehamehas and flying on the nimbus.
 
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