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Dragon Ball GT Upgrades
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Where does the 4-A/3-C come from anyway? I know about scaling from the anime, but still. Weren't they considered to be fighting at near-universal levels? (I haven't watched GT in awhile due to it not being my favoritest thing) And weren't the galaxies far larger than our own? Also, wasn't the 4 galaxies statement in one of the guidebooks? (AKA things we don't use?)
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Apparently, the 4 Galaxies statements still "are canon" for the GT verse and as such, everyone was downgraded to mere Multi-Solar System level. The 3-C comes from the fact that the recent revised calculation for the Kid Buu Galaxy Bust over-time feat was only around 10x away from Galaxy level, which the GT cast basically stomps.
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GT was stated by a narrator to have boundless galaxies. Not sure how much meaning that holds. If the difference is only 10 times, then even SSJ Goku should be Galactic due to his base form scaling to people who were stated to be stronger than anyone he's every fought.
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What relevance do the number of galaxies hold? I'm lost.
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Boundless galaxies can simply mean that they are extremely large from a human perspective, and just because we do not use power levels this does not mean that we ignore all official information.
However, I am too busy to argue much, and am not particularly invested in the issue.
However, I am too busy to argue much, and am not particularly invested in the issue.
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I personally think that 4 galaxies is silly. We're so anal on what's canon in DB and what outside guides/sources to use. Yet this one guidebook statement where nearly all the other information from the guidebook we adamantly deny that isn't supported elsewhere we base the entire consmology of GT off of. And we would've based the entirety of DBZ and Super had Super not debunked this beyond any reasonable doubt, which we called a "retcon", when really it's more like the series never had just 4 galaxies to begin with. Plus this same guidebook also claims the DB universe is infinite. Cherrypicking one part out of a source we deemed as noncanon to support an argument that the other part completely debunks is very disingenous in my opinion.
Also GT has arguably shown more than 4 galaxies.
https://gyazo.com/8eae8a91dc75015c67eaca6bceff7fb4
Also GT has arguably shown more than 4 galaxies.
https://gyazo.com/8eae8a91dc75015c67eaca6bceff7fb4
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I was about to post the thing about it saying the universe was endless and say, "if we use that guidebook statement, why don't we use this one and then consider the fact that it also says that Heaven, as a planet in the Afterlife is as big as the universe and that Goku and Kid Buu shook the whole Afterlife in their fight".
But then Ryu got here and you know, said what he said.
But then Ryu got here and you know, said what he said.
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I'm not sure. Omega Shenron's negative energy would have gradually destroyed the universe in an unknown timeframe, though implied to be a relatively quick one with a sense of high urgency. I just want 4 galaxies to finally be gone.
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"A local collection of stars and planets in outer space. A nebula is a collection of stars and planets, and in turn a collection of several nebulae is called a galaxy. Being responsible for the north/south/east/west, the four Kaios in practice oversee these galaxies. The divides between north/south/east/west galaxies are units which the celestial gods and Kaios produced for occupational purposes, in order to unify the galaxies which exist infinitely in outer space"
^ A statement which not only calls North, South, East and West sections of galaxies, but also claims infinite galaxies. Why is 4 galaxies based on this guide again?
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"A local collection of stars and planets in outer space. A nebula is a collection of stars and planets, and in turn a collection of several nebulae is called a galaxy. Being responsible for the north/south/east/west, the four Kaios in practice oversee these galaxies. The divides between north/south/east/west galaxies are units which the celestial gods and Kaios produced for occupational purposes, in order to unify the galaxies which exist infinitely in outer space"
^ A statement which not only calls North, South, East and West sections of galaxies, but also claims infinite galaxies. Why is 4 galaxies based on this guide again?
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I also agree with Ryukama.
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So if we use the guide, Omega should he High 3-A.
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1313657
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- Universe also stated to be endless and expansive
- Statements of innumerable stars and nebulae with galaxies made of said things
- The moral realm stated to resemble reality
- Mortal realm stated to be based off the actual universe
- As such there are endless celestial bodies
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Well, no, the guidebooks say that the universe is endless and that there are infinite galaxies.
But this same guidebook says that Heaven is as big as the Universe, and the Afterlife was bigger than that. This would make Kid Buu High 3-A due to shaking it in his fight with Goku, unless we consider that an outlier.
But this same guidebook says that Heaven is as big as the Universe, and the Afterlife was bigger than that. This would make Kid Buu High 3-A due to shaking it in his fight with Goku, unless we consider that an outlier.
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Might Help, might not - https://comicvine.gamespot.com/foru...dbz-universe-is-more-than-4-galaxies-1736931/ - Note: The Guide, not the amount.
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@Ant Kep can make a thread if he wants. I'm not too into GT revisions I just want this misinformation of 4 galaxies off the site. We should speak to him and others on how this would impact Negative Karma Ball's rating.
- This guidebook statement isn't supported in the show itself
- We almost never accept anything from this guide
- There's a statement from the same guide saying the universe is infinite
- There's a statement from the same guide saying North, South, East and West are quadrants (which is conveniently what Super was "retconned" into having)
- There's a statement from the same guide saying that there are infinite galaxies
- There's a statement from the same guide saying mortal realm universe resembles reality
- There's a statement from the same guide saying mortal realm is based off the actual universe
- There's a statement from the same guide saying the universe is endless and expansive
- There's multiple statements from the same guide saying there are countless celestial bodies
- GT shows more than 4 galaxies, plus the fact that Kid Buu in this same continuity was stated to have destroyed galaxies. How can there be 4 galaxies when Kid Buu destroyed at least 2 and there were more than 4 left?
@Ant Kep can make a thread if he wants. I'm not too into GT revisions I just want this misinformation of 4 galaxies off the site. We should speak to him and others on how this would impact Negative Karma Ball's rating.
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I'm more concerned about the people lower in the comments who think Arale is stronger than the Living Tribunal because someone else in Doctor Slump can run across panels. XDAkreious said:
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I think we should handle the revisions in this thread, but that's just me.
But I think that higher-tiered EoS GT characters makes a lot of sense. Would 3-A EoS Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, Syn and the rest really be that horrible?
I would also request to be able to speak in such a thread, if allowed.
But I think that higher-tiered EoS GT characters makes a lot of sense. Would 3-A EoS Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, Syn and the rest really be that horrible?
I would also request to be able to speak in such a thread, if allowed.
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