Count Dooku vs Leonardo Lionheart

BruceTheBatman · Jan 21, 2018

Two Fallen Heroes, both joining the villain and coming to only serve them out of fear. One joined willingly, the other did so seemingly out of fear. One seeks to be part of the villian's plan, the other wants out of it. One wants the heroes dead, the other is sympathetic. Both of the Ancient Heroes (That is, Ozpin and Yoda) wonder what happened to make them fall so far.

Does anyone else see how this is surprisingly thematic now?

7-B versions of course

Sir_Ovens · Jan 21, 2018

Dooku by a long shot. Leo barely kept up with Oscar and was using really cowardly tactics like firing at a distance to fight Ozpin.

Dooku on the other hand, can go 1 on 2 with Jedi masters and will actually get in close to fight. If Leo starts spamming dust at a distance, all Dooku has to do is Force pull him closer and cut him in half.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 21, 2018

How far into 7-B is Dooku? He'd still need to get through Leo's Aura to be able to cut him in half. Plus those cowardly tactics were a huge threat to Qrow

Sir_Ovens · Jan 21, 2018

Don't know about AP, but Dooku has precog and can deflect shots with his lightsaber. Also, Qrow was fighting a bunch of people, this is a one on one. Dooku will be entirely focused on Leo.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 21, 2018

Actually...where DOES 7-B star wars come from? I cant find anything on it, only some 7-C and High 7-C feats.

Sir_Ovens · Jan 21, 2018

Dooku scales from Yoda having touble dissapating his Force Lightning. But Yoda is High 7-A...

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

So apparently, according to Ever, SW characters have no reasoning for them being 7-B

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

Didn't Canon Dooku fight Anakin and Obi wan.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

Fhfhghghg said:
Didn't Canon Dooku fight Anakin and Obi wan.

Yes, but what im saying is NO ONE in Star Wars has any 7-B feats, this comes straight from one of the Wiki's Star Wars experts. The 7-B is on SW profiles for basically no reason whatsoever.

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

I'll look for some, pretty sure it scales off a character damaging a ship with Town Level Durability.

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

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WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

...That would make then Town level, not City level

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

Yeah, thats Town level, not City level

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

Town Level, likely City Level is his AP.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

Yes, but he has no reason to be City level as no one in all of Star Wars has a City level feat, Ever himself told me this

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

I believe, do not quote me on this, it might be due to scaling between Town and Small Island Level.

Eficiente · Jan 22, 2018

>Checks the labyrinth we call SW scaling

>Performs a Wall level feat

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

Found the reasoning.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

That is quite literally a thread that is explaining why theyre NOT 7-B

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

No one in SW is 7-B, they dont have any feats on that level

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

I'm not saying they are, just finding the reasoning.

Maybe they should be around Town Level - Large Town.

EDIT: I accidentally didn't see Large Town Level in the Scaling section.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

The best tier 7 feat they have that isnt High 7-A is a High 7-C feat, that is likely the best they are going to get as they dont have any other feats above it.

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

Yeah, still Town Level, it was Vader (just turned Vader, so a little weaker than Anakin {i believe, that has been thrown around a lot, he might just be stronger after he got the armor and implants}) who did this, definitley not Small City - Large Mountain.

I could see them as low into Large Town Level if this was ultra casual.

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

Seems like he did it with at most moderate difficulty based on the dialogue, so Town to Large town is a good tier.

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

Again, Town level

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

I know, i was just reinforcing that. I deleted it just before i saw this comment BTW.

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

WeeklyBattles · Jan 22, 2018

Message Ever about it

ByAsura · Jan 22, 2018

I think you should be the one to do that, i don't think Ever would consider it because of my last star wars thread.

I'm going to look through my comment, see if it's wrong at some places or anything.

BruceTheBatman · Jan 22, 2018

Dooku should honestly be High 7-A. There is no reason why he should be leagues below Vader whem in TCW he was leagues above nearly every character. He also is portrayed in both canons as someone Yoda needed effort to defeat, even if he was a number below him (being a 9 to Yodas 10)

Sidious choking him just shows hes a higher end of High 7-A

The_Everlasting · Jan 22, 2018

You grossly exaggerate Dooku's superiority to other characters.

If Dooku legitimately scaled to Yoda, he would be able to shrug off Sidious' Force Choke, or at least somewhat resist it.

Shadowbokunohero · Jan 22, 2018

id say Dooku would be a 7

Amelia_Lonelyheart · Jan 22, 2018

WeeklyBattles said:
So apparently, according to Ever, SW characters have no reasoning for them being 7-B

Aiden said he found a 1 Megaton feat for Dooku somewhere on NF a year or two again. I guess we could try and track that down.

The_Everlasting · Jan 22, 2018

Also, Bruce, if you want to make Dooku High 7-A, why make this match in the first place?

BruceTheBatman · Jan 22, 2018

Because they're both 7-B on this wiki, saying that is just my view, I know we won't agree though.

BruceTheBatman · Jan 22, 2018

The Everlasting said:
You grossly exaggerate Dooku's superiority to other characters.
If Dooku legitimately scaled to Yoda, he would be able to shrug off Sidious' Force Choke, or at least somewhat resist it.

1) The dude was considered the best jedi apart from Yoda (some sources portray him as >= Windu) prior to his departure

2) He doesn't need to scale to Yoda, just giving him some slight difficulty, or being someone Yoda "far from easily" bested. He doesn't even need to scale to Yoda completely to scale to High 7-A, the feat was performed by Darth Vader (and rather casually at that), not Yoda or Darth Sidious. Sidious and Yoda would just be a higher end of High 7-A than Dooku (who is portrayed in both continuities as somewhat comparable to Vader by word of Sidious, even if he is weaker than Vader) or Vader

Schnee_One · Jan 22, 2018

The Everlasting said:
Also, Bruce, if you want to make Dooku High 7-A, why make this match in the first place?

I wish Dante was still 3A, doesn't mean I'll not make matches with him.

The_Everlasting · Jan 22, 2018

I have never seen any source that makes Dooku comparable to Windu.

That would still make him scale to Sidious though.

If Dooku were anywhere near Sidious' level, he wouldn't be completely helpless against the Force Shoke from a hologram.

BruceTheBatman · Jan 22, 2018

1) I've seen plenty of statements portraying them as near-equal or even Dooku being superior. Aside from constantly besting similar opponents with less difficulty than Windu, there are plenty of sources, such as The New Essential Guide to Characters, which states that Dooku was the only member of the Jedi Order apart from Yoda to ever best Mace Windu prior to his resignation.

2) Not necessarily, Sidious and Yoda should be at least High 7-A, since they are Vader's superiors

3) His durability is still only wall level without force amplification and Sidious was usually cordial with Dooku, I doubt he was expecting to be attacked in such a manner, from across the galaxy no less. It being a hologram is irrelevent.

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