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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 53: when everything is cool

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Oh boi, might as well start my own thread since the last one is around 450 replies.

No ranting allowed or pointless scaling arguments please!!!!! Let's just enjoy the series we all love ovo

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HAIL LORD FRIEZA!
 
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You know how like with every arc Goku and Vegeta gets stronger? Yeah that's the thing Universe Survival Saga Pre-Jiren SSB is somewhere around 10-50x stronger than Future Trunks Saga SSB scaling from SSG Goku not getting instantly fodderized by Dyspo a character who is in between the lvl of SSG and SSB.

So from what we know Future Trunks Saga SSBKKx10 Goku is probably equal to Universe Survival Saga Pre-Jiren SSB Goku. And Future Trunks Saga SSB Vegeta is probably somewhere in between Universe Survival Saga Pre-Jiren SSG Goku and SSB Goku. Than we have SS Berserker Kale who is strong enough to fodderize Pre-Jiren SSB Goku's kamehameha as well as break through Cocotte's barrier which Android 17 a SSB lvl character can't destroy so i'll just assume SS Berserker Kale is around the lvl of Universe Survival Saga SSBKKx2 Goku.

Also we've learned now that Potara Fusion is (Character A's strongest form + Character B's strongest form) x 10+ = Character C

So if we use that formula than Future Trunks Saga SSBKKx10 Goku + Future Trunks Saga SSB Vegeta is probably weaker than just SS Berserker Kale alone. So going by this than Future Trunks Saga Vegito might be slightly weaker than Kefla.
 
Uhhh what is frieza doing to that poor soul O.O

My favourite moment in 116 is when Goku was upside feet in the rock. and that brief moment of him with Kefla.
 
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You know how like with every arc Goku and Vegeta gets stronger? Yeah that's the thing Universe Survival Saga Pre-Jiren SSB is somewhere around 10-50x stronger than Future Trunks Saga SSB scaling from SSG Goku not getting instantly fodderized by Dyspo a character who is in between the lvl of SSG and SSB.

So from what we know Future Trunks Saga SSBKKx10 Goku is probably equal to Universe Survival Saga Pre-Jiren SSB Goku. And Future Trunks Saga SSB Vegeta is probably somewhere in between Universe Survival Saga Pre-Jiren SSG Goku and SSB Goku. Than we have SS Berserker Kale who is strong enough to fodderize Pre-Jiren SSB Goku's kamehameha as well as break through Cocotte's barrier which Android 17 a SSB lvl character can't destroy so i'll just assume SS Berserker Kale is around the lvl of Universe Survival Saga SSBKKx2 Goku.

Also we've learned now that Potara Fusion is (Character A's strongest form + Character B's strongest form) x 10+ = Character C

So if we use that formula than Future Trunks Saga SSBKKx10 Goku + Future Trunks Saga SSB Vegeta is probably weaker than just SS Berserker Kale alone. So going by this than Future Trunks Saga Vegito might be slightly weaker than Kefla.
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Sorry but this is stupid or rather a big assumption. All I see is probably. Goku did no training or anything else to get stronger. He even said that he got rusty.

Goku Black fought Goku many times and he destroyed him. Vegeta got to ROSAT for ONE YEAR to be stronger than Black. So no.

SSB Goku's Kamehameha was very far from his most powerful! He even said that he will release a little bit more power after SS2. Then he was not hurt at all by Kale. Don't you remmber the Kamehameha against Merged Zamasu? Full power SSB Goku broke both of his hands for that Kamehameha.

Not even going by the Potara rules this works. Kale and Caulifla are weaker. Especially Caulifla is SS2 at best! For Vegito we talk about 2 SSB level fighters. Not even comparison. Kale at best was weaker than SSG Goku in the last epsiodes. And Goku was tired and didn't get stronger.
 
@You two

If you want to argue any scaling DO IT IN YOUR RESPECTIVE WALLS, please and thank you. Im completely fed up with dbs scaling issues.
 
PaChi2 said:
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If you want to argue any scaling DO IT IN YOUR RESPECTIVES WALLS, please and thank you. Im completely fed up with dbs scaling issues.
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You are right. This a bit of problem but I felt like answering. Each week the scaling issues grow bigger :p
 
super saiyan blue is not just 50 times stronger than god, but much more, champa specifically stated that kefla's ss form exceeded his expectations just after she transformed, meaning it's more than 50x her normal stats, and goku was getting fodderized by her as god, and now he can keep up with her suppressed (it was at the start of the battle when champa said this) ss form as blue.

it's usually 50% stronger to fodderize a character, so this means that goku is at the very least, 66.reccurring 6 times stronger as blue.

at the start of the resurrection f arc, he was already far stronger than his ssg form without blue, then they got way stronger several times, and then he fought hit toe to toe, even though hit got way stronger, meaning he got well over 10x stronger, and now he's way stronger than that as super saiayn god.

this is proof that the manga is far weaker than the anime version, this was already proven when in the manga he only shook the universe, and he's now only a few times stronger than that time, but he's hundreds of times stronger than when he could destroy 3.3 universes in the anime. in the manga, ssb is like 5-7x stronger than god, at best.
 
Omg. Im asking you again:

Please stop with this SSB thing. It will lead nowhere.

Please.
 
your not asking me again, i only posted this comment. also, this comment has nothing to do with the previous ones, it's just how strong blue is to god.
 
Sorry. I cant keep track of every comment. I thought your reply was meant yo prove that SSB > SS2, therefore Vegito > Kefla.

Anyway, my apologies.
 
it's fine. also, we should not work on falicies like that, we hear all the time that she increased her potential alot, plus, they are comparable to characters that got far stronger than the previous arc, 66 - possibly hundreds.
 
  • Beerus' TRUE power. This wiki states Whis is far stronger... hehe little do they know :D Beerus could pull of a puss n boots xD
 
I like to point out that Kefla last attack was similar to this Broly attack

https://youtu.be/yZ6ZXbwFEuc

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My favorite moment of ep 116 was when Goku swag surfed the candy cane beam.
 
I don't think we will get UI Vegito because Whis in this episode said that Goku needs to think to attack so he has only defensive instincts and Vegeta is gonna try to get UI so he may get UI focusing on attacking and they would have to work together to beat Jiren remember when Whis said Goku and Vegeta needs to work together
 
Dysop>Hit(Pre Dyspo fight)=ssb Goku(ep 72)=ssb kaioken x10 universe 6 saga Goku current SSG Goku can fight Dyspo so current SSG>SSB Goku(ep 72) Current SSG> Controlled berserker Kale + ss2 Caulifla So if Current SSG=SSB Goku rematch/finale of Black saga> ss berserker Kale shouldn't Vegito be logically superior to Kefla since Kale is far stronger than Caulifla but no match for SSG so Vegeta+Goku fusion should give more power than Kale+caulifla fusion
 
That's your headcanon there is no evidence for that and there are more statements that he was weakened or out of stamina
 
more like out of stamina and injuryes from his fight from jiren ssr4vegito, Goku with regular kaio ken fought ssj kale who was as strong as the universe 7 spirit bomb
 
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