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Altair (Re:Creator) Hax Upgrade

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This is a new thread about discussing Altair's Hax upgrades which were discussed in here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1096452?useskin=oasis

Basically here's a List of Haxes that should be Added to her (and Sirius's) profile:-

•Forcefields:- She was able to display Forcefields in the series especially during Episode 19 against Blitz Talker and Hikayu and in Episode 20 against Hangaku. Said Forcefields could resist Blitz's Gravity Bomb and erased Hangaku coming in contact with it.

•Resistence to Gravity Manipulation via Forcefield as shown in Episode 19

•Existence Erasure via Forcefields as shown in Episode 20

•Cosmic Awareness/Locality Tracking:- She displayed this ability in Episode 17 for finding an Exit inside an Infinite Gated Infinite Spaced Dimension which was meant to seal her and destroy her concept.

•Immunity To BFR/Sealing via the feat above and also with the help of her Teleportation which could take her anywhere even between real and fictional worlds.

•Limited Probability Manipulation:- She displayed this ability in Episode 20 for finding a Possibility to become Sirius and Possess her after getting her entire Existence nearly Overwritten.

•Type 8 Immortality for her Existence being reliant on Stories and Creations about her as she explains in Episode 20 from 14:10 mark.

•Energy Projection:- Sirius displayed it upon her debut in Episode 20. So Altair too can use this ability.

•Reality Warping:- Created a Universe in Episode 21 Specifically to Sustain's Setsuna's existence without causing the Universe to Warp

•Space-Time Manipulation for Creating the Universe, destroying it and again creating another one out of nothingness in Episode 21.

She was also stated to possess countless other abilities due to being written by countless creators but they are all unknown so far.
 
There's a possibility of her having Limited Acausality as she herself stated in Episode 20 that she doesn't belong in any universe and neither does she have any Background Story. Plus her Plot Manipulation should be able to Grant her Acausality.

And her being immune to Poison and Biological Manipulation for lacking a Biological Body as Every Character showed that holographic thing when they were killed or Revised/Upgraded or disappeared but normally their bodies would act like a normal biological body. Whereas Altair (and possibly Sirius) not having a Biological Body comes from the Scene in Episode 10 just after the 20:15 mark when she referred to her body being "Physical Image" just when reality was starting to reject her and from the Existence Change scene when Sirius stabs herself and also from Episode 17 where she blocked Selesia's physical attack spell and suddenly her body seemed to show Holographic Distortions which was never shown in other creations cases as their bodies would act normally when hit by a physical attack. She also stated to be different than the other creations and being immune to physical attacks in Episode 20 and 17 respectively.

I don't really doubt her having these abilities as she is constantly gaining new powers for being written by countless ppl and her having Plot Manipulation which could basically grant her these abilities.
 
Was gonna reply to the other thread, but been busy.

•Forcefields-Agreed

•Resistence to Gravity Manipulation- Agreed

•Existence Erasure- She already has this

•Cosmic Awareness/Locality Tracking:- Already agreed to this in previous thread

•Immunity To BFR/Sealing- Resistance to sealing, immunity is an NLF, we never use that word unless the person in question doesn't have the thing which the ability is being use on, for example not having a soul thereby soul manipulation won't work.

•Limited Probability Manipulation:- Already agreed to this

•Type 8 Immortality- No, just means she gets new powers from whatever media she is in, doesn't mean she won't die, already been over this.

•Energy Projection:- Agreed

•Reality Warping:- Agreed

•Space-Time Manipulation- This is obvious, agreed
 
So almost all of them are accepted. That's good.

About the Immortality thing, I'm not talking about her powers but I'm talking about what she said in Episode 20 from 14:10 about not having any Canon Story and not belonging to any Universe. This part is from the 14:40 min mark where she says that the stories about her are what keeping her in existence.

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I don't know where it was discussed so I'll check all related threads and see the reasoning behind her not having Type 8 immortality.
 
I mean if you could erase her fanfic Stories from the planet along with everything related to her (Memories, Fanarts,etc) she would just lose immortality.

Edit:- Just checked Type 8 Immortality and it says "8: Reliant Immortality: The power to be immortal so long as a certain object, person, concept etc. exists".

So yes, it fits well with the criteria above seeing as how she has no Background History or a Canon Story and doesn't belong to any Universe but exists because of her Fanfics, Fanarts, Audience approval,etc. Her existence is reliant on everything her fans make like Stories, Memories, Fanarts,etc.
 
I don't agree with type 8 immortality, type 8 means the person won't die as long as a certain thing or concept exists, altair's existence is sustained by the creators because they add to her story, she has no story yes, she is a fanfic character, as long as someone creates something featuring her, she will automatically gain the abilities featured in them, doesn't mean she herself won't die unless you destroy everything she has ever been featured in, i think that's a massive leap in ability that requires more proof.
 
By the way should Altair also have information Manipulation? Her Representation Exposition seems to manipulate and change the information of a character. Or is it just another way of using plot manipulation instead.
 
Plot manipulation.

As for her immunity to Poison and Biological Manipulation due to lacking a normal Biological Body, looked over the scenes and she does indeed seem to have a holographic sort of body, so agree with her having resistance to poisons and such things now.

Disagree with the physical attack immunity stuff though, that's a complete NLF, characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ke have the same thing, and i don't take it seriously either.

To say you're immune to physical attacks or immune to anything in general unless you're omnipotent shouldn't be taken seriously/literally, just gives resistance, resistance to physical attacks sounds absurd though, just means the character is durable. You can't say there are immune if they haven't faced higher degrees of physical attacks.
 
I agree with Celestial Pegasus on the Physical Attack Immunity being NLF part.

So to summarize, these are the new Abilities that needs to be added to her profile:-

•Forcefields

•Resistance to Gravity Manipulation

•Cosmic Awareness/Locality Tracking

•Resistance to Sealing/BFR

•Limited Probability Manipulation

•Energy Projection

•Immunity To Biological Manipulation and Poison

•Reality Warping

•Space-Time Manipulation


Things that should've been added but couldn't make it due to lack of any concrete Proof:- Acausality, Type 8 Immortality.

Well let's hope the Blu-Ray sales are good enough for Troyca to give Season 2 a green signal since the Director and Writer are already up for a second season and hopefully we can see more feats from the old cast and possibly some newer ones.
 
Bump.

Necro'ing this thread to commemorate the release of the Anime Official Guidebook today. It's not been translated yet but I rewatched the series and found that a few things could be added to Altair's profile.
 
ÔÇóMagic:- For summoning sigils similar to Meteora who herself is a magician and can summon swords and guns out of nowhere.

ÔÇóReactive Evolution:- For being constantly updated with new powers and abilities

ÔÇóImmortality (types 1,3):- Type 1 because she doesn't have a backstory and can use Representation Exposition to reformat her existence or appearance. (used Representation Exposition to change her appearance from Sirius to her newer self). Type 3 because she has Mid-Godly Regen.

ÔÇóExistence Change:- Holopsicon 66th movement should be in her arsenal as she is the original user of Holopsicon and after possesing Sirius she should gain the ability.

ÔÇóData Manipulation:- Was manipulating Electronic Devices and could use them to summon Characters

ÔÇóCloning:- Factor Mimic Copies plot as shown when he copied Kanoya's ability and summoned her own Gigas Machina.

Low 2-C key should have "All previous abilities additionally"

ÔÇóVoid Manipulation:- Erased the Universe she created for Setsuna instantly. In Series Holopsicon 24th Movement was stated to remove plot itself (Episode 21) and it erased Altair, Vogelchevalier, Hangaku, Bayard and the Universe created for Setsuna Specifically.

ÔÇóConceptual Manipulation: Has the power to create anything from nothing and used it to create two Universes. Thus logically she should've also created the concepts of Space, Time.

ÔÇóPossibly Energy Manipulation and Matter Manipulation for creating the Universes. .
 
ÔÇóMagic:- Ok

ÔÇóReactive Evolution:-She gains new abilities, she isn't adapting to anything so no.

ÔÇóImmortality (types 1,3):- Don't see what not having a backstory has to do with being immortal or how changing her appearance warrants it. Type 3 is ok.

ÔÇóExistence Change:- Ok

ÔÇóData Manipulation:- Is that data manipulation or more so technology manipulation?

ÔÇóCloning:- Ok

Low 2-C key should have "All previous abilities additionally": Ok

ÔÇóVoid Manipulation:- She already has existence erasure, so no, existence erasure is a sub ability of void manipulation anyway.

ÔÇóConceptual Manipulation: We don't grant every universe creator concept manipulation so no.

ÔÇóPossibly Energy and Matter Manipulation for creating the Universes- You're honestly over analyzing the universe creation feat, usually for such feats we just add creation as an ability and we're done we don't go into oh this person created a universe so they should have these bunch of abilities.
 
Pretty much what Celestial said. Also you should add in her multi-universal travel range and didn't she technically BFR Kanoya with plot manipulation?

Also kinda wanted to ask about something. Shouldn't Altair only have one ability key? Because I don't think she gained any new abilities from the audience it seemed like she only got a power boost that allowed her to use the abilities on a universal scale. And from what she said before she created the universe it seemed like she already had those abilities but wasn't able to use them on a universal scale before being strengthened by the audience. Although I might be wrong though.
 
I think it's Data Manipulation rather than Technology manipulation.

I'm just basing the Conceptual Manip based on the fact that she can create anything from nothing. But I see what you mean about the Creation thing tho.

Also, we have characters that can erase beings, things and universes and have void manipulation under their key. For example Zeno. So Void Manip for her low 2-C key wont be a stretch imo.

EDIT:- She was standing with Setsuna in the white void after erasing the Universe. And it matches the Criteria of Void Manipulation in the wiki too.
 
@Peter When did she bfr kanoya again? About the range, that's ok.

Did she say anything that implied she already had those abilities before?

@RM Ok then on the data manipulation.

Creating "anything" from nothing doesn't grant you concept manipulation that's just creation/reality warping or matter manipulation could be any of those, and when was it said she could create anthing anyway?

Void manipulation, existence erasure, it's semantics in this case imo, it's the same thing, and nothing was said about her erasing the universe from existence, she destroyed it yes, but erased it from existence? That's a huge assumption, and yes she has erase ppl from existence before, but doesn't mean she can do it on a universal scale.
 
She said the Creating part when she was saving Setsuna from the Train in episode 21. She said something along the lines of "Holopiscon doesn't only twists Fate. It can create anything out of nothing. I will write your story that has been cut short".

Also the Universe she destroyed seemed similar to how she erases things from existence. She even used her violin similar to using her 24th movement to erase ppl and immidietly afterwards we see the universe going completely blank.
 
Also she BFR'd Kanoya to the real world from his series. Just like with every other creations. She even states to Selesia in Episode 1 that "It was i who summoned you. I induced your manifestation in this world of gods". So BFR is a possibility.
 
In episode 5 when Kanoya's creator was watching his show she teleported Kanoya from his world to the Re:Creators world I think that counts as BFR. Since she left him in that world for a pretty long time without meeting him again.
 
@RM That creating stuff is just standard reality warping then as she proceeded to create a universe, doesn't mean she can create concepts, that's a nlf.

That's still an assumption that she erased the universe, nothing was ever stated about it. Occam's razor says the simplest answer is that she just destroyed it.

She just brings creations from their world to the real one, i don't ever once remember her bfr anyone in the real world, could just be a summoning sort of ability.
 
So summoning hmm that actually seems more useful than BFR.

Well I'm just hoping for them to explain how she came to the Re:Creators world in the guidebook and as a bonus I hope they show more of her Holopsicon in the guidebook.
 
She didn't even use any energy based attacks or anything. She literally stood there and did a move similar to her 24th movement. The next thing we see is the Universe going blank. You dont see any explosion or destruction or anything. Even Setsuna was calm and showed no reaction. Occam's razor would dictate her erasing the Universe as i) She did her 24th movement on a Violin beforehand. 24th movement being her trademark movement where she erases beings. ii) There was no other way she destroyed it. She didnt use any Energy Based attacks, neither was there any sort of destruction or explosion shown. It was simply the universe going blank. Unless you can show me proof that she has any other means of destroying the universe in blank white void without causing any explosion or destruction.
 
I already said that I understand about the Creation stuff tho. So Idk why you're bringing the Conceptual part. I just explained and said what was shown in the show.
 
Already said my piece, not gonna argue it any further, you can't prove she erased the universe from existence, what you have are assumptions, the simplest answer would be that using the same reality warping that allowed her to create the universe, she used it to destroy it, has nothing to do with existence erasure, and she doesn't need an energy blast to do it.
 
You know we could just wait for the guidebook to come out and see if it explains it. Oh and is Altair going to have one ability key now? Or is it still two?
 
Reality Warping is plausible. But whats to say that her existence erasure doesnt have Universal Range if her Reality Warping has Universal range in her low 2-C form. She had a low range in her low 7-C form and even stated she doesn't have the power to break out of the Town lvl Birdcage that meteora constructed. If her powers skyrocketed to Low 2-C from Low 7-C as well as her AoE range too, then Logically her existence erasure should also have a Low 2-C lvl AoE as initially the Erasure was Low 7-C as shown in the beginning when she erased Vogelchevalier.

But I digress. The guidebook will be traslated in reddit and only then a lot of things will be clear.
 
@Peter Only her Low 2-C version has created an entire universe, so 2 keys should remain, although i think abilities like space-time manipulation that she currently has for her second key is pointless as we don't give that to every universe creator, she hasn't stopped time or anything like that, she just created a space time continuum, which falls under creation, matter manipulation etc that was being proposed also falls under that one ability.
 
The Guidebook was already released hours ago. It just hasn't been translated yet.
 
Hopefully the guidebook states something like "Altair after creating her universe, exists outisde of and beyond time", her speed is in need of a serious upgrade.
 
Watch them grant your wish by say something that grants Altair Immeasurable speed or Nigh-Omnipresence. Than they go into extra detail on all the Holopsicon they thought of but didn't get to use in series which makes her have even more ability than Lucemon ovo
 
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