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Who would win?
Both did pretty similiar against Jiren so what would happen if they fought again as they were now?
Winner either by Death or K.O
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SSB X20 Kaio-Ken Goku vs Current Hit
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Who would win?
Both did pretty similiar against Jiren so what would happen if they fought again as they were now?
Winner either by Death or K.O
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Honestly, leaning more towards Hit.
With a combination of pure skill and time manipulation, he managed to put a sizeable dent in Jiren's chest, and actually made him get serious for a brief moment. There's also the fact that his Time-Lock made Jiren struggle briefly.
SSB X20 KK Goku could barely faze Jiren, even when using a spirit bomb empowered by U7's strongest (minus Vegeta).
With a combination of pure skill and time manipulation, he managed to put a sizeable dent in Jiren's chest, and actually made him get serious for a brief moment. There's also the fact that his Time-Lock made Jiren struggle briefly.
SSB X20 KK Goku could barely faze Jiren, even when using a spirit bomb empowered by U7's strongest (minus Vegeta).
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Goku got slapped around when using SSB X20 KK. He didn't even do any actual damage. Hit actually did something to Jiren that made him pause.
Also, they fought to a standstill way before either was as strong as they are now.
Also, they fought to a standstill way before either was as strong as they are now.
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Dont forget Hit ''killed'' Goku.
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^True
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Hit via Time-Lock (if it comes to that) Hits improvement is something to be reckoned but this new ability that Hit has, i don't see Goku breaking out of it and Technically Goku never beat Hit XD
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Current Hit is easily one of if not the strongest 3-A in the entire series above Kale (who got one-shoted) and Toppo. SSJBKaiox20 Goku ia pretty close though.
However Hit has many techniques and if he is Bloodlusted he can just wreck him with his assassination and time-based techniques.
However Hit has many techniques and if he is Bloodlusted he can just wreck him with his assassination and time-based techniques.
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U mean the same improvement that made him 10X stronger in a matter of seconds?Ja Ma said:
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Basically his fight with Goku at the U6 vs U7 tournament
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perfect example XDPTSOXMONKEY99 said:
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so he didn't actually become 10x more powerful but you think he did?
Did you watch the fight? It was made blatantly obvious that Hit was getting stronger as the fight went on. He managed to improve his Time-Skip from being able to stop time for 0.2 seconds to being able to stop time for 0.5 seconds only by fighting for a few seconds. After getting beat up some, he managed to easily overpower a X10 KK SSB Goku, even though he had manhandled Hit not even a few moments ago. He improved his Time-Skip to the point where it could stop Goku, who had resisted one a few seconds ago.
This was all done while Hit was holding back due to the no killing rule.
So yes, Hit did get x10 more powerful. And then some.
Did you watch the fight? It was made blatantly obvious that Hit was getting stronger as the fight went on. He managed to improve his Time-Skip from being able to stop time for 0.2 seconds to being able to stop time for 0.5 seconds only by fighting for a few seconds. After getting beat up some, he managed to easily overpower a X10 KK SSB Goku, even though he had manhandled Hit not even a few moments ago. He improved his Time-Skip to the point where it could stop Goku, who had resisted one a few seconds ago.
This was all done while Hit was holding back due to the no killing rule.
So yes, Hit did get x10 more powerful. And then some.
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For one, it's already been proven that the "no-killing" rule is bs because this tournament has shown that even if hit could kill his opponents, he wouldn't fare better against someone who is really powerful or really fast like Dyspo & Jiren.
Hit wasn't getting stronger, he was powerin up each time unless you think everytime a DB character powers up, he's actively getting stronger just from the fight itself.
Hit wasn't getting stronger, he was powerin up each time unless you think everytime a DB character powers up, he's actively getting stronger just from the fight itself.
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Goku in base SSB made Jiren block as he was punched through mountains, Hit had to let himself be abused to build up power and find the timing in which to attack Jiren to accomplish a similar feat, plus the fact that Vados stated Hit didn't land a single blow on Jiren minus his heart punch, and Goku managed to hold his own. Then there's also the fact that Jiren had a shocked expression when Goku followed up with a quick kamehameha, which he dodged at the last second.
Kaioken Goku mollywhops
Kaioken Goku mollywhops
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It was proven that the no killing rule was holding Hit back because we saw in his next confrontation with Goku that once Hit was able to go all out, he one shot Goku with the utmost of ease.
He wasn't powering up. He literally states that he is improving. How else was he able to adapt to Dyspo's speed blitz? How did he overcome a SSB Goku who had just went through several zenkai during the Goku Black Saga, even though a newbie SSB X10 KK Goku's almost stomped him? He shows he gets stronger the longer he fights.
He wasn't powering up. He literally states that he is improving. How else was he able to adapt to Dyspo's speed blitz? How did he overcome a SSB Goku who had just went through several zenkai during the Goku Black Saga, even though a newbie SSB X10 KK Goku's almost stomped him? He shows he gets stronger the longer he fights.
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What purpose does using old feats from old arcs serve? Goku got hit by an attack that he thought wouldn't touch him from a distance. Goku's tournament feats against Jiren > Hit's
His only option is time cage, and Goku has knowledge of all Hit's abilities at this point.
His only option is time cage, and Goku has knowledge of all Hit's abilities at this point.
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But having knowledge /=/ being able to break out of an attack that made a Low 2C get serious for a brief moment. How is KK X20 SSB, who's still in the 3-A range, gonna break out?
He's trying to disprove that Hit has reactive evolution and stats amping, even though it's blatantly obvious he does. That's why I'm bringing it up.
He's trying to disprove that Hit has reactive evolution and stats amping, even though it's blatantly obvious he does. That's why I'm bringing it up.
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I want to point out that Jiren was using the same amount of power against Hit as he did against SSB Kaio-Ken X20 Goku. Hit himself said that these were the same attacks that Goku took and now he's felt them.Unite My Rice said:
https://youtu.be/4fZxnEgX3Ig?t=90
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Because as far as we know, Jiren had to be a sitting duck/distracted for it to land. Goku had full knowledge of Hit and vice versa, and Goku managed to stalemate without kaioken.
And oh, I see now o.o
And oh, I see now o.o
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He stalemated Goku without Kaikoen after getting beaten up numerous times during the Goku Black Saga, and would have recieved numerous zenkai's. And Hit still made Post GB Saga Goku worry about his strength.
All Hit has to do is land one blow to activate the Cage of Time. Jiren was well aware of Hit's presence, and had turned around to meet him head on, but was too slow to stop Hit, who's body had memorized the timing of Jiren's counters, from landing his weak point attack, which lead into Cage of Time.
All Hit has to do is land one blow to activate the Cage of Time. Jiren was well aware of Hit's presence, and had turned around to meet him head on, but was too slow to stop Hit, who's body had memorized the timing of Jiren's counters, from landing his weak point attack, which lead into Cage of Time.
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Before the ToP, Hit was SSB level. In the ToP, SSB+kaiokenx20 Goku did far better against Jiren that Hit did(excluding the TimeCage). Hit didn't land a single blow and was getting kicked around and Jiren also looked like he was fed up of holding back when he said "Why are you wasting time?"
I think Goku has advantage in stats and he also has knowledge about Hit's techniques, so if bloodlusted and going for the kill, Goku will blitz and stomp.
But if Hit manages to get a single hit on Goku through his strategy, than Hit would win.
Could go either way and depends upon the situation.
I think Goku has advantage in stats and he also has knowledge about Hit's techniques, so if bloodlusted and going for the kill, Goku will blitz and stomp.
But if Hit manages to get a single hit on Goku through his strategy, than Hit would win.
Could go either way and depends upon the situation.
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Exactly, Hit has fought Goku so he knows how he attacks, and still got stalemated, Goku has knowledge of all his abilities, plus being clearly physically superior (clearly shown), and being able to react to Dyspo whereas Hit needed to trick him into making false movements, plus being able to use IT mid combat, Goku has the upper hand.
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Hit for reasons above.
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Except that Goku had to take advantage of Dyspo's linear movements and had to use a combination of SSG and SSB just to catch Dyspo off guard, whereas Hit
Hit adapted to Dyspo's speed to the point where he purposefully let Dsypo hit non-vital areas. What's even more, it was revealed that Hit was letting Dyspo blitz him so he could lead him into a trap. Once he was caught, Hit easily reacted to Dyspo's attacks an nearly got him dropped off the stage.
The way I see it, it's like this:
Goku:
+Arguably stronger (Could slightly match a suppressed Jiren, albeit, highly outmatched)
+Could break out of Time-Skip
+Can block intangible attacks (if he can sense them coming and react properly)
+IT can be helpful (if can use it fast enough)
+Has knowledge on Hit's attacks
-SSB drains stamina faster than SSG, worsened by the fact he's using Kaioken
-Kaioken X20 is theoretically his safe limit, any higher may have negative side effects
-Prefers to fight up close
-Not as strategic
-Arguably slower (see below)
-Can be adapted to
-Hit has fought Goku in the past as well, has knowledge on his fighting style
Hit:
+Equally as durable, maybe even more so (took the same hits that Goku did against Jiren, was getting knocked around rather badly)
+Self-Improvement may let him match Goku's strength and resistance to Time-Skip (had done so in the past against SSB X10 KK)
+Much more strategic (willing to snipe from a distance, willing to his phantoms and use energy clones to mislead, will snipe through objects while hidden)
+Intangible attacks are still effective if not blocked properly
+Intangibility
+Can use Time-Skip phantoms + fake ki clones to mislead (may not work against a master ki senser like Goku
+Arguable faster (Adpated to Dyspo's speed boost, whereas Goku has to use analyzation and transformations, his body memorized the timing of Jiren's counters, and was able to land a blow, much to Jiren's surprise)
+Has knowledge on Goku's fighting style
+Cage of Time one-shots
-Goku has prior knowledge
-Normal, non-durability ignoring attacks most likely won't effect Goku (didn't work too well on Jiren)
-Weaker, physically speaking
-Time-Skip can be interrupted/broken out of
-Long range attacks can be blocked
-Needs to land at least one hit to activate Cage of Time
-Limit to how much he can adapt (stalemated by post-Goku Black Saga SSB Goku, defeated by Jiren once he got serious)
Hit adapted to Dyspo's speed to the point where he purposefully let Dsypo hit non-vital areas. What's even more, it was revealed that Hit was letting Dyspo blitz him so he could lead him into a trap. Once he was caught, Hit easily reacted to Dyspo's attacks an nearly got him dropped off the stage.
The way I see it, it's like this:
Goku:
+Arguably stronger (Could slightly match a suppressed Jiren, albeit, highly outmatched)
+Could break out of Time-Skip
+Can block intangible attacks (if he can sense them coming and react properly)
+IT can be helpful (if can use it fast enough)
+Has knowledge on Hit's attacks
-SSB drains stamina faster than SSG, worsened by the fact he's using Kaioken
-Kaioken X20 is theoretically his safe limit, any higher may have negative side effects
-Prefers to fight up close
-Not as strategic
-Arguably slower (see below)
-Can be adapted to
-Hit has fought Goku in the past as well, has knowledge on his fighting style
Hit:
+Equally as durable, maybe even more so (took the same hits that Goku did against Jiren, was getting knocked around rather badly)
+Self-Improvement may let him match Goku's strength and resistance to Time-Skip (had done so in the past against SSB X10 KK)
+Much more strategic (willing to snipe from a distance, willing to his phantoms and use energy clones to mislead, will snipe through objects while hidden)
+Intangible attacks are still effective if not blocked properly
+Intangibility
+Can use Time-Skip phantoms + fake ki clones to mislead (may not work against a master ki senser like Goku
+Arguable faster (Adpated to Dyspo's speed boost, whereas Goku has to use analyzation and transformations, his body memorized the timing of Jiren's counters, and was able to land a blow, much to Jiren's surprise)
+Has knowledge on Goku's fighting style
+Cage of Time one-shots
-Goku has prior knowledge
-Normal, non-durability ignoring attacks most likely won't effect Goku (didn't work too well on Jiren)
-Weaker, physically speaking
-Time-Skip can be interrupted/broken out of
-Long range attacks can be blocked
-Needs to land at least one hit to activate Cage of Time
-Limit to how much he can adapt (stalemated by post-Goku Black Saga SSB Goku, defeated by Jiren once he got serious)
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Hit for reasons above.
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Goku didn't need to switch forms to catch Dyspo off guard, he was using SSG for the stamina break, but uses SSB to maximize his speed and power as stated by Whis, even though it consumes more stamina, which is why Goku mainly fought him as SSG and not SSB (which is dumb, given the Jiren fight). We've never seen stamina be a reason Goku had difficulty using SSB in a battle.
He also managed to fight Jiren in normal SSB and land blows whereas Hit couldn't land a blow until he timed Jiren's blows and timed his counters, while Jiren was also almost entirely defensive, Goku would be on the offensive, so he won't have that same luxury.
Hit having knowledge on Goku's style doesn't change anything, he's fought Goku multiple times and that was never a factor, the reverse wasn't true when Goku noted Hit's techniques.
And Goku not being as strategic pffffffffffffffffft
He also managed to fight Jiren in normal SSB and land blows whereas Hit couldn't land a blow until he timed Jiren's blows and timed his counters, while Jiren was also almost entirely defensive, Goku would be on the offensive, so he won't have that same luxury.
Hit having knowledge on Goku's style doesn't change anything, he's fought Goku multiple times and that was never a factor, the reverse wasn't true when Goku noted Hit's techniques.
And Goku not being as strategic pffffffffffffffffft
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Still doesn't change the fact that Hit directly adapted to Dyspo's speed boost whereas Goku merely took advantage of his linear movements.
Jiren was purely on offense while fighting Hit, so it's not like Hit's gonna have trouble with an opponent whose not afraid to turn up the heat. Hit was knocked around way worse than Goku was, and yet still managed to put up a fight.
Goku, in neither his SSB form or his KK boosts actually managed to hurt Jiren, even when he was suppressing his power. Not even when using the Spirit Bomb empowered by most of universe 7's strongest. He didn't even graze him until he went Ultra Instinct. Goku knocking him him back doesn't qualify as a feat. Carnage Kabuto knocked Saitama around like a racket ball, doesn't mean he's in any way stronger or even comparable.
It does matter cause as we've seen, Hit's body can memorize the movements of an opponent after fighting with them for awhile. His numerous clashes with Goku only make it easier for him to get used to how he fights.
Name one way Goku is more strategic than Hit, who not only managed trapped two Pride Troopers, but also has thousands of year of experience and has shown that he is willing to go for the kill immediately, as compared to Goku who will let his opponent go full power, and will even heal them so he can get a good fight. For as much as an innovative martial arts genius the man is, his playful nature and love for fighting is extremely counter productive. Instead of going all out aginast Jiren from the get-go, he decided to test each of his forms against him, even though weaker Pride Troopers and other foes had easily matched his other forms.
Jiren was purely on offense while fighting Hit, so it's not like Hit's gonna have trouble with an opponent whose not afraid to turn up the heat. Hit was knocked around way worse than Goku was, and yet still managed to put up a fight.
Goku, in neither his SSB form or his KK boosts actually managed to hurt Jiren, even when he was suppressing his power. Not even when using the Spirit Bomb empowered by most of universe 7's strongest. He didn't even graze him until he went Ultra Instinct. Goku knocking him him back doesn't qualify as a feat. Carnage Kabuto knocked Saitama around like a racket ball, doesn't mean he's in any way stronger or even comparable.
It does matter cause as we've seen, Hit's body can memorize the movements of an opponent after fighting with them for awhile. His numerous clashes with Goku only make it easier for him to get used to how he fights.
Name one way Goku is more strategic than Hit, who not only managed trapped two Pride Troopers, but also has thousands of year of experience and has shown that he is willing to go for the kill immediately, as compared to Goku who will let his opponent go full power, and will even heal them so he can get a good fight. For as much as an innovative martial arts genius the man is, his playful nature and love for fighting is extremely counter productive. Instead of going all out aginast Jiren from the get-go, he decided to test each of his forms against him, even though weaker Pride Troopers and other foes had easily matched his other forms.
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So from what I checked Hit has 4 (Me, Noahkaismith, PTSOXMONKEY99 and Super Saiyan God Julian) votes and Goku has 2 votes (Unite My Rice and Ja Ma). We also have 1 inconclusive (AKM sama). Others have leaned to sides but never truly voted. If they did, Hit could possibly already have 7 votes, if I checked correctly.
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Voting Hit for Monkey99s reasons. Specifically "has thousands of year of experience and has shown that he is willing to go for the kill immediately, as compared to Goku who will let his opponent go full power, and will even heal them so he can get a good fight."
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1. Idk what part of the fight you were watching. Hit clearly tricked Dyspo, who in turn became confused as stated by Champa, and then Hit attacked a confused non-moving Dyspo, as evidence by Vados confirms such. In no context was it alluded to that Hit adapted to Dyspo's speed. All he did was fake Dyspo out via timing, unless you also want to say that Hit adapted to Jiren's speed, which clearly wasn't the case. Whereas Goku could react to Dyspo, and Whis confirmed by saying he maximized his speed and power for the instant Dyspo attacked.
2. Except Jiren was defensive. Hit was using time-skip to find an opening on Jiren, as evidenced by Goku , yet Jiren swatted Hit away every time. Getting knocked around more than the next guy in a fight also isn't anything to be proud of at all, but even on that note, Hit was blocking most of Jiren's attacks with a few body shots, whereas Goku was taking all open body shots, which is qualitatively superior. He also caught a ki blast to the body that busted him through multiple kachi katchin hills, and he was fine. It wasn't until Jiren broke free of the time cage that he was getting stomped.
You can watch Goku fight on relatively good standing with Jiren, able to bounce back from all of his attacks, take these shots, and even surprise Jiren with his follow-up speed . Goku was winded twice in succession then hit with a ki blast that almost takes him out the match with no notable damage, until Jiren activates his red eyes effect.
3. Overhyping Hit's punch to Jiren's chest I see. Jiren himself said that attack was nothing . Thinking Hit hurt Jiren with such an attack is like Basil assuming he did anything of note to Majin Buu for turning his stomach into a doughnut hole. You can't use the spirit bomb as an actual argument if it was never in a position to actually cause Jiren harm in the first place. And that's factually false. In the video I linked, Goku clearly punched Jiren through mountains, and kicked him in the head while using kaioken. Should we also talk about the many times Goku could dodge and evade Jiren's attacks? No, normal SSB Goku punching Jiren through mountains isn't a feat per se, but it's comparatively superior to what Hit did with his strongest physical attack.
4. Hit having a thousand years of experience is supposed to be impressive? Goku went toe to toe with a suppressed Beerus, who has been a God of Destruction for at least 75 million years. Quantity > Quality? There's also Goku using strategy against fighting Hit, strategy against fighting Botamo, strategy against Hemila and Prum (sniper guys), strategy against Dyspo, the strategies he employed and countered in preparation for the tournament, etc. When has Goku himself ever healed somebody so he could fight them? When he fights seriously he doesn't do any of what you said. Goku was letting Dyspo rest to fight him later, and Hit is just as guilty because he didn't make any effort to go after him either. Also feeling out your opponent is a good procedure in martial arts.
2. Except Jiren was defensive. Hit was using time-skip to find an opening on Jiren, as evidenced by Goku , yet Jiren swatted Hit away every time. Getting knocked around more than the next guy in a fight also isn't anything to be proud of at all, but even on that note, Hit was blocking most of Jiren's attacks with a few body shots, whereas Goku was taking all open body shots, which is qualitatively superior. He also caught a ki blast to the body that busted him through multiple kachi katchin hills, and he was fine. It wasn't until Jiren broke free of the time cage that he was getting stomped.
You can watch Goku fight on relatively good standing with Jiren, able to bounce back from all of his attacks, take these shots, and even surprise Jiren with his follow-up speed . Goku was winded twice in succession then hit with a ki blast that almost takes him out the match with no notable damage, until Jiren activates his red eyes effect.
3. Overhyping Hit's punch to Jiren's chest I see. Jiren himself said that attack was nothing . Thinking Hit hurt Jiren with such an attack is like Basil assuming he did anything of note to Majin Buu for turning his stomach into a doughnut hole. You can't use the spirit bomb as an actual argument if it was never in a position to actually cause Jiren harm in the first place. And that's factually false. In the video I linked, Goku clearly punched Jiren through mountains, and kicked him in the head while using kaioken. Should we also talk about the many times Goku could dodge and evade Jiren's attacks? No, normal SSB Goku punching Jiren through mountains isn't a feat per se, but it's comparatively superior to what Hit did with his strongest physical attack.
4. Hit having a thousand years of experience is supposed to be impressive? Goku went toe to toe with a suppressed Beerus, who has been a God of Destruction for at least 75 million years. Quantity > Quality? There's also Goku using strategy against fighting Hit, strategy against fighting Botamo, strategy against Hemila and Prum (sniper guys), strategy against Dyspo, the strategies he employed and countered in preparation for the tournament, etc. When has Goku himself ever healed somebody so he could fight them? When he fights seriously he doesn't do any of what you said. Goku was letting Dyspo rest to fight him later, and Hit is just as guilty because he didn't make any effort to go after him either. Also feeling out your opponent is a good procedure in martial arts.
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Hit still knocked Jiren to the edge of the ring and through many formations.
Yeah it didn't harm him. Also jiren.dodged the kick from Goku .
Yeah it didn't harm him. Also jiren.dodged the kick from Goku .
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Goku knocked him through formations too.
And no he didn't watch it again. It has sound effects of the kick with Jiren grunting and everything.
https://youtu.be/3-T2CHbdn74?t=3m35s
And no he didn't watch it again. It has sound effects of the kick with Jiren grunting and everything.
https://youtu.be/3-T2CHbdn74?t=3m35s
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Huh, guess youre right.
Although to be fair jiren clearly let goku hit him through the formations at the start while hit managed to get him while he was actively blocking.
Also of this is a match to kill then yeah, hit kinda has an advantage, hes tailored here.
Although to be fair jiren clearly let goku hit him through the formations at the start while hit managed to get him while he was actively blocking.
Also of this is a match to kill then yeah, hit kinda has an advantage, hes tailored here.
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Goku has knowledge of all Hit's abilities and has combated all of them except for the time cage, though Goku also would've gotten stronger by receiving a zenkai after healing up from fighting Jiren, which also slides the physical stats on Goku's side considering he'd be healthy for this fight.
To each his own tho :^)
To each his own tho :^)
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If Hit can spam his timeskip to the point he can land a hit on jiren who's actively blocking him I'm sure he can manage on Goku and follow with time cage and the ki.
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