Eh wouldn't bet on it, Zer0 has always been a range fighter so he can shoot Raiden from a distance plus with homing grenades' and if you try to bring the argument that Raiden can just slice the bullets and get close, Borderlands gun have elemental effect that would still explode on contact(they even have Explosive as a element) Plus all the ******* Stats Amps on the Borderlands characters from their skill trees(B0RE being a big one), Artifact that also boost stats, Slag which is confirmed to be 10x, the bee shield, etc.
except Raiden has augmented vision and spends all MGR fighting opponents who ambush him by being invisible. i'm pretty sure Zer0 just doesn't have a feasible wincon here, if he doesn't blitz and oneshot him with Blade mode, he AP stomps with Ripper mode and RPL
Zer0 scales far above 232 kilotons from fodder loader bots that can be manhandle from the beginning of the game, plus with all the amps also including Slag which time 10 amp. Zer0 just shoots once with any gun.
Wasn't it just a boost in speed?
Maybe in borderlands, in MGR guns are 100% useless
Raiden no-sold the 121 kt feat after getting lynched for 15 minutes. He went from getting no sold to being stronger than Armstrong in like 5 minutes, this Ap difference is nowhere near enough to even matter against him. Also no, Zer0 can't oneshot Raiden because of his stupidly strong Immortality and because a not even 2X AP difference is almost irrelevant, nowhere near enough to oneshot. Seriously, by the time he even reaches Zer0, the AP gap won't exist anymore, just look at what happened with Monsoon and his copy
I get this reasoning because I’ve also played MGR and yeah IN MGR guns are basically useless.
Raiden has insane RE but that the thing, it takes time for him to get to that level, which isnt going to happen because in he is still going to be oneshot and I’ll explain why. The 232 kilotons feat comes from the loader bots, which are the basic bitch fodders that are literally destroyed by Salvador in the beginning cutscene(also there are many loader bots that weigh far more than the basic LB putting Zer0 AP even higher... only promble is nobody calculated the results yet).
oh, you mean exactly like The Boss' Patriot, which was made in the fifties in the MG universe?
Nothing noteworthy
so, like every rocket launcher worth its money?
These guns are nothing special and Raiden's whole job is getting around guns, he'll figure it out, especially when they start at like 100 meters apart, a gap that can be closed in a minute at most
again, no amount of upscale from a 2X AP gap is enough for a oneshot, none. In order to oneshot an opponent you need something like a more than 10X gap, a gap Raiden has canonically covered in less than 10 minutes. Raiden also upscales insanely from the 121 kt feat, having tanked it with no damage while extremely weakened and scaling above Armstrong, who tanked it without even needing his nanomachines. Raiden's RE takes minutes at most, but it's not like he'll even need it, since he can insta kill Zero with BM
Man, who do you think Raiden is? "distract him with a homing grenade"? You are talking about a pg who as an 8 year old had a record breaking killscore and was a one-man army, a guy who mastered swordfight to a degree where he could beat arguably the best swordsman in the world in less than a minute, he's not gonna get distracted by a run at the mill homing grenade and he's not gonna get hit by any bullets, he has a whole technique based entirely on cutting bullets in mid air while he runs. Also yeah, I guess add skillstomp to Raiden's win-list; there's also the matter of how in-character it is for Zero to stay out of range and shoot or to amp, and I'm like 90% sure Zero is an assassin and goes invisible to ambush his opponent as an opening move, which will get him killed every time, because the AP gap is irrelevant when Raiden can become 10 times faster on a whim and turn him into mincemeat
So not gonna lie feel like this is my fault for not showing the guns instead of just describing them with a wall of text so my bad dude. But as a person who played MG3, MG5, and MGR vs all of the Borderlands games they are not comparable at all
Actually from what I heard the gap to one shot is 7.5 or maybe they update it I don’t remember? But again not that it matters because this fight isn’t going to last for a minutes, because you still haven’t taken to account that Zer0 doesn’t just have Slag which is a higher boost than Raiden but multiple others way to boost, the Bee shield literally keep amping the Vault hunter till they get hit, relics increase weapons damage and fire rate which will allow bullets to hit harder and faster. And even his actions skills you sent taking into account, Decepti0n by itself gives out a flat 200% amp to weapons, B0re give another 100% amp to his weapons and that’s just 2 of ST that will boost Zero to the point of killing Raiden one shot.
Yeah distracted by homing grenade wasn’t the right sentence lol. I meant more that with all the projectiles and grenades all around Raider is more than going to slip up
Which isn’t going to happen because he gets hit once before that happens
The guns being"wacky" means nothing, they are guns, they shoot bullets mostly, slightly different bullets, but still bullets that can be deflected. I genuinely don't understand the point about E-tech, what do you mean?
This fight is gonna last however long Raiden wants it to, he's so much more skilled it's not even funny, it's like a kid against a boxing champion. Jetstream Sam when he was an average human was already skilled enough to take on rooms full of armed soldiers comparable to him without getting hit once
Nothing of what you just said is on Zer0's profile. You can have all the AP boosts you want, Raiden goes Blade mode and turns him into ribbons before he can react on top of being so much more skilled that he just runs circles around whatever Zero can do
see previous comment. Raiden becomes more than 7x stronger by the minute, he covered his Ripper Mode amp in the time it took him from defeating Monsoon to reaching Monsoon's copy. He's also no stranger to getting beat up by characters who are monumentally stronger than him and is literally immortal and immune to any lethal damage short of complete destruction of the brain. Even if we actually say that Zer0's guns can blow holes into him and tear off his arms, it literally won't make a lick of difference
Except Zer0 is never going to hit Raiden because Raiden is MONUMENTALLY more skilled and has a thought based amp that makes him 10 times faster on top of his whole job being about dodging/deflecting bullets
He won't, simple as that, someone on Raiden's level doesn't "slip up"
...no? It matters whenever he uses it, because he can use it to dodge the bullets. Also HF blades have range that's significantly higher than the actual sword
yes I was, no, I can't say what happened because I still don't know what the **** happened myself lmao
Because of scaling from 232 kilotons as seen above, all the amps like slag that are a 10x amp, with ST like decepti0n and B0re both amp to 300%, the relics that amp him as well, the shields that also continually amps him further, and he has weapons that have homing that he can’t just deflect He just one shots before Raiden get close to him
Pretty much, yeah. I like Zer0, but there's no ******* way he can hit Raiden, let alone kill him, thanks to that Insane Skill + Speed Amp.
