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Zen'o Existence Erasure
- Thread starter Saikou_The_Lewd_King
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Simply put, Existence Erasure is a facet of Void Manipulation. It's just a specific application.
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Okay, then should the profiles for the abilities be merged? It seems redundant.
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Well, Existence Erasure is already listed on the Void Manipulation as a possible use.ZacharyGrossman273 said:
However, it's also prevalent enough in fiction to get it's own page. At least, that's how i look at the current setup.
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That doesen't mean it needs to be a seperate ability
That's like saying Pontos should have a different version of water manipulation than squirtle because his is on a much larger scale
That's like saying Pontos should have a different version of water manipulation than squirtle because his is on a much larger scale
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It's more than that.DodoNova2 said:
You don't need Void Manipulation to perform Existence Erasure. However, you can pull it off with Void Manipulation.
The difference between the two is like the difference being able to Time Travel and having Time Manipulation. The former is a very specific application (going to a certain point in time whether backwards or forward) while the latter has a broader range of abilities (Time Stop, Reversing Time, Fast-Forwarding Time, Time Travel, etc.).
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Animation of the future being destroyed
Animation of U9 being destroyed
Animation of U10 being destroyed is the same.
Aftermath of U9 Destruction
Aftermath of the future
They're the exact same. Zeno has only used existence erasure, not offensive ki blasts, corroborated by Goku .
Animation of U9 being destroyed
Animation of U10 being destroyed is the same.
Aftermath of U9 Destruction
Aftermath of the future
They're the exact same. Zeno has only used existence erasure, not offensive ki blasts, corroborated by Goku .
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They're not the exact same, Zeno's future timeline attack has his energy expanding outwards, while his U9 and U10 ones are instant (but the results are the same, but that could be due to the nothingness caused by a lack of any universes, but I guess that's a bit of a reach)
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Also since erasing/nuking are basically his regular attack so I don't think that needs to be specified. Plus his durability could be supported by the fact it's stated by a kaioshin nothing in this "World" can destroy Zeno (so he'd have to be minimum at least low 2c)
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They're the exact same. Same animation, same blue ball of light eminating from their hands. The only thing that proves is that Zeno can selectively destroy universes, which we already know since there used to be 18 universes.
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But the difference is that one has his energy expanding out around him the other is just him closing his hand
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Obviously, otherwise he'd just be erasing the world of void. He still had the same energy in his hand.
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Same energy sure but it's not the same attack, only the results are the same
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Why are you arguing against me with the points I'm making? Just stop.
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I'm just saying they're not the exact same, sure it could be me being a pedant but it's a fair point that they have different speeds and that they project differently, heck I acknowledged that they basically did the same thing prior.
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But fine I guess I'am kinda making pointless statements
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Bump
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So have any conclusions been reached here?
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Well I showed Zeno has only shown existence erasure and not destructive ki blasts and solo'd the thread
So idk
So idk
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Welp:
Zeno erased a 2-C structure.
Its a 2-C feat.
To erase time you need hax, so everyone who does that via time space manipulatiom gets the rating, but Zeno doing it with EE does not qualify? I dont agree with the OP. "destroyed a 2-C continuum" and "erased a 2-C continuum" arent two completely different things.
Zeno erased a 2-C structure.
Its a 2-C feat.
To erase time you need hax, so everyone who does that via time space manipulatiom gets the rating, but Zeno doing it with EE does not qualify? I dont agree with the OP. "destroyed a 2-C continuum" and "erased a 2-C continuum" arent two completely different things.
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If he erased it then it would be 2-C via hax and not with normal AP.
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Doesn't even matter, he tanked the destruction point blank. Even if it was some pseudo hax it scales to his durability and thus his AP.
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Erasure isn't destruction.
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Hence why added pseudo.
As far as I can tell, it's both. Zeno has displayed attacks that have both properties.
As far as I can tell, it's both. Zeno has displayed attacks that have both properties.
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Well I'm sure that erasing a 2-C structure via existence erasure is still a 2-C feat since Zeno's void manipulation was so great that it could affect the entire multiverse.
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Survived a Low 2-C destruction and based on the point above, unless it was debunked, he may not have even survived it
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It would be 2-C yes but only through hax. His erasure is not the same as his actual attacks.Super Saiyan God Julian said:
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But Zeno did survive it. He was completely unscathed by his multiversal destruction.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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What? He tanked.the destruction of 12 universes at point blank. How is that low 2-C.
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Saikou The Lewd King said:
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We need to stop using destruction like its synonymous with erasure first of all. Zeno having resistance to existence erasure makes sense since the gods can't beat him, even with hakai in their arsenal.
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Saikou is wrong. The attack he tanked destroyed 12.
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Im honestly agreeing with Rice on this one. It makes perfect sense regarding Zen'o and the GoD's Hakai being unable to kill him.
EDIT: Or the Hakai's themselves being too limited to kill Zen'o even without resistance.
EDIT: Or the Hakai's themselves being too limited to kill Zen'o even without resistance.
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I think that His Majesty, Rice-Sama seems reasonable here.
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Then why is Kukui saying Saikou said one, or quoting out of context statements. Either way, agreeing with Rice.
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So would this merit any changes?
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