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Zelda Triforce Huge upgrade
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"The triforce is the ultimate power behind all things", yet Majora exists.
I don't understand.
"My argument is that this is ridiculously speculatory and not something really backed up by anything. Don't even try acting like my argument is "No"."
Because a scan from a book made explicitly just to explain the Zelda verse is now nothing?
And it is supported by the universal statement (also the omnipotent thing, if I wanted to be nitpicking)
"Everlasting makes a good point that didn't really require much explanation. It's a simple speculation =/= fact."
Except that it is fact. If you managed to find an another interpretation that doesn't contradict half of the Zelda lore, please share it with us.
I don't understand.
"My argument is that this is ridiculously speculatory and not something really backed up by anything. Don't even try acting like my argument is "No"."
Because a scan from a book made explicitly just to explain the Zelda verse is now nothing?
And it is supported by the universal statement (also the omnipotent thing, if I wanted to be nitpicking)
"Everlasting makes a good point that didn't really require much explanation. It's a simple speculation =/= fact."
Except that it is fact. If you managed to find an another interpretation that doesn't contradict half of the Zelda lore, please share it with us.
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I agree with Ever here.
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Majora's existence, completely unrelated to the triforce, created by an entire unknown race of beings, shows how the triforce is not "behind all things".
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"Ultimate force behind all things" and "Universal force" are meaningless phrases that have nothing to do with abilities.
Also bestowing others powers doesn't mean you can use them yourself, we need proof of that.
Also bestowing others powers doesn't mean you can use them yourself, we need proof of that.
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"Jesmon
Let's give this guy every resistance ever just because. Without any feat."
Does he have statements that support that?
"Majora's existence, completely unrelated to the triforce, created by an entire unknown race of beings, shows how the triforce is not "behind all things"."
The TF clearly didn't create MM, but it's the thing that gives MM power. Have you even read the OP?
""Ultimate force behind all things" and "Universal force" are meaningless phrases that have nothing to do with abilities.
Also bestowing others powers doesn't mean you can use them yourself, we need proof of that."
Yes, they do, the first one is used to describe the TF, the second one to emphasize its power.
You know that the TF is an object that gives power to its owner, right? Even if TF couldn't use itself, there's nothing stopping it from just giving said powers to the owner.
Let's give this guy every resistance ever just because. Without any feat."
Does he have statements that support that?
"Majora's existence, completely unrelated to the triforce, created by an entire unknown race of beings, shows how the triforce is not "behind all things"."
The TF clearly didn't create MM, but it's the thing that gives MM power. Have you even read the OP?
""Ultimate force behind all things" and "Universal force" are meaningless phrases that have nothing to do with abilities.
Also bestowing others powers doesn't mean you can use them yourself, we need proof of that."
Yes, they do, the first one is used to describe the TF, the second one to emphasize its power.
You know that the TF is an object that gives power to its owner, right? Even if TF couldn't use itself, there's nothing stopping it from just giving said powers to the owner.
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"Yes, they do, the first one is used to describe the TF, the second one to emphasize its power."
And again, nothing says this relates to abilities.
"You know that the TF is an object that gives power to its owner, right? Even if TF couldn't use itself, there's nothing stopping it from just giving said powers to the owner."
Then all it can use are powers that specifically come from the Triforce, not "every ability in the entire verse".
I also still disagree with the Triforce having Conceptual Manipulation. "Essense" isn't concepts without proof.
And again, nothing says this relates to abilities.
"You know that the TF is an object that gives power to its owner, right? Even if TF couldn't use itself, there's nothing stopping it from just giving said powers to the owner."
Then all it can use are powers that specifically come from the Triforce, not "every ability in the entire verse".
I also still disagree with the Triforce having Conceptual Manipulation. "Essense" isn't concepts without proof.
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And technically, the ones creating it would have still used the power of the TF to create it.LephyrTheRevanchist said:
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"The thing that gives MM power"
Have you even played MM?
Have you even played MM?
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It's my favorite game ever.LephyrTheRevanchist said:
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Then you should know how that statement is bull. Majora is 100% unrelated to the triforce.
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"And again, nothing says this relates to abilities."
Then what would it be?
"Then all it can use are powers that specifically come from the Triforce, not "every ability in the entire verse"."
I thought objects pages get the abilities of what they can give to the user...? You can also say that it can grant nearly every ability to its owner, that was what I meant from the start.
Also, my wi-fi is being kinda bugged, so it may take a while to reply, sorry.
Then what would it be?
"Then all it can use are powers that specifically come from the Triforce, not "every ability in the entire verse"."
I thought objects pages get the abilities of what they can give to the user...? You can also say that it can grant nearly every ability to its owner, that was what I meant from the start.
Also, my wi-fi is being kinda bugged, so it may take a while to reply, sorry.
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"Then what would it be?"
Nothing. Not every statement needs to have meaning to be ued in profiles.
"You can also say that it can grant nearly every ability to its owner, that was what I meant from the start."
It grants abilities it's shown to grant, not "every ability int he verse".
Nothing. Not every statement needs to have meaning to be ued in profiles.
"You can also say that it can grant nearly every ability to its owner, that was what I meant from the start."
It grants abilities it's shown to grant, not "every ability int he verse".
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Except that it's not. Majora has never shown to be completely unrelated to the TF. And even assuming MM was made in Termina (which by the way it's impossible given that it's the other way around according to HE, and other reasons), Termina would still be one of the worlds "connected" to the TF. Remember that the TF could be the source of Hyrule's power while still being in the Sacred Realm.LephyrTheRevanchist said:
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"Nothing. Not every statement needs to have meaning to be ued in profiles."
So we're ignoring these statements because...? Both are clearly meant to describe the TF's power.
"It grants abilities it's shown to grant, not "every ability int he verse"."
Except that thanks to the statement, it technically has the feat of granting (nearly) every ability of the verse ovo.
So we're ignoring these statements because...? Both are clearly meant to describe the TF's power.
"It grants abilities it's shown to grant, not "every ability int he verse"."
Except that thanks to the statement, it technically has the feat of granting (nearly) every ability of the verse ovo.
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Even without Majora, there's also the Wind Fish, which is completely independent of the Triforce. As well as Malladus, Lady Maud, Vaati, Zant to an extent, and quite possibly Bellum. Heck, Hylia, and other gods, specifically can't use it, and her only connection to it is being the one to guard it (and may or may not be as strong as it).
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@Triforce
It's not "ignoring". It's "not mentioning because there's nothing to do with it".
No, you still haven't proven that.
It's not "ignoring". It's "not mentioning because there's nothing to do with it".
No, you still haven't proven that.
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Except that they all have been created, directly or indirectly by the GGs.The real cal howard said:
Should also be noted that the Deku Tree states: "ÒüôÒü«Õ¥îÒÇüÒüØÒü«ÒÇÇÞüûõ©ëÞºÆÒéÆ õ©ûÒü«þÉåÒü«ÒÇÇþñÄÒü¿ÒüÖÒéïÒééÒü«Òü¬ÒéèÒÇé After that, those sacred triangles became the cornerstone for the world's reason."
The TF is already passively sustaining the Zelda Verse, this would just be one thing that the TF is doing to maintain "the world's reason"
"It's not "ignoring". It's "not mentioning because there's nothing to do with it".
No, you still haven't proven that."
So I should prove the two statements (three now), which exist to describe the TF, should be used?
I've already said it: The first one comes from a book that is indexing EVERYTHING in the Zelda verse, it's basically its pokedex (there are even pages describing every fish ever appearing in Zelda games and explaining how they evolved). It's basically like ignoring Digimons' book or the Pokedex, even though to a lower degree.
The second one is a statement meant to describe the power of the TF, and why the demons wanted it.
The third one is so explicit I don't even think I need to explain why we can consider it.
If you believe they can't be used, then tell me seriously.
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Well quick question since it was din farore and naryu who created all of the zelda worlds and each of them gave some of their power to create the triforce wouldnt that make TFP1 claims a bit more belivebale since the 3 goddesses are the strongest in the zelda verse followed by the triforce and the fact that gods cant us it speaks volume of how powerfull it is (hylia is not stronger the the tf buy the way)and about the master sword if i remenber correctly it was forg with the flames of of each pieces of the triforces (in the form of colored flames) to make the goddess blade stronger and link did take the trials to gain each pices of trifoces in order to fight on pair with demise and wish him out of existence everything related by him and his soul
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@Ashen
Strongest =\= can use every ability from the verse
Strongest =\= can use every ability from the verse
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Lorule was a world and there triforce broke (or got destroyed) and everyone (plus the world) was dying the laws of its world didn't work anymore thats why hilde tricked link, to be able to steal the triforce and let hyrule get destroyed in order to save her dying world but in the end link wished for a new (or fixed) triforce and everything came back to normal like nothing happend.
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Is it tho?Antvasima said:
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There's still debate, though. Maybe it's best if we wait Azathoth?
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And I've stopped using that a long time ago.
Also, I think he meant that, given that GGs created everything, and the TF is considered their masterpiece and symbol of their power, it should reasonably have the same things the GGs gave to everything else.
Not too fond of this reasoning (especially if creation deities don't get the abilities of the verse they create), but it could be useful as a supporting statement.
Also, I think he meant that, given that GGs created everything, and the TF is considered their masterpiece and symbol of their power, it should reasonably have the same things the GGs gave to everything else.
Not too fond of this reasoning (especially if creation deities don't get the abilities of the verse they create), but it could be useful as a supporting statement.
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I'm a very hopeful person.
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So has...anything at all actually happened, here?
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The second part was agreed, and I bettered the reasoning for the first. It's basically the OP+Deku Tree saying that it passively sustains the Zelda verse+ Maybe the thing I wrote two comments ago.
There's technically the whole "it can grant any wish" and "omnipotent" thing, but it was rejected.
There's technically the whole "it can grant any wish" and "omnipotent" thing, but it was rejected.
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Bump? I seriously don't know if I want to continue this anymore.
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"Except that they all have been created, directly or indirectly by the GGs."
Just because you create something that manages to have certain powers =/= you have said powers yourself.
Just because you create something that manages to have certain powers =/= you have said powers yourself.
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That was not what I meant.
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