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Zelda Triforce Huge upgrade

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@Triforce

Still not enough evidence at all for that wall of text

@Cal

It sounds more like power null from the wording. The result is pretty similar though
 
Master Sword being a counter to the Triforce and resisting its effects seem fine, but I'm not convinced of giving the Triforce all the hax shown in the verse just because it's been called omnipotent.
 
Should it be OK to give it the powers of Link, Zelda and Ganon for starters? All of them used the TF (Zelda used it in ALBW), all of them consider the TF omnipotent, and given that their abilities come from the GG who also created the TF, it makes sense that they gave those abilities to it as well.

Given that no one here wants a simple "it's omnipotent so it scales", I'm just going to prove who scale character by character.
 
So the main things I can think it shuts down are everything Zelda does, reality warping, conceptual manipulation, and...I forget the rest of the Triforce's abilities.
 
Oh, and should the Triforce have Fate manipulation, given that the King of Red Hyrule wishes for a new kind of future for WW!Link and WW!Zelda?
 
Yeah no, adding those abilities to the Triforce because "LoL omnipotent" is the biggest reach I've seen regarding Zelda. And that's saying A LOT.
 
Pretty much all of Zelda's powers are Triforce based.

Ganon is a wizard even without the Triforce, so it's hard to distinguish what's his Triforce powers and what's his wizard powers, especially with OoT and ALTTP on the table.

99% of Link's powers either come from weapons or when he doesn't have any piece of the Triforce.
 
The real cal howard said:
Oh, and should the Triforce have Fate manipulation, given that the King of Red Hyrule wishes for a new kind of future for WW!Link and WW!Zelda?
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That would need a new thread on its own.
 
Yeah, the Triforce is clearly not Omnipotent, but I don't think anyone was actually arguing that. But the Triforce does legit grant significant varieties of hax and an At least High 4-C Tier. Though, ALttP Link wielding the Golden Master Sword is yet superior to Ganon using the complete Triforce it, and is further amplified when he uses it himself.

And of course, it doesn't even reach the Golden Goddesses powers.
 
I'm curious about something.

Is ALttP Ganondorf just in the possession of the Full Triforce, or is it absorbed into his body?

Like, if Ganondorf absorbed the Full Triforce in ALttP, then shouldn't it have been left behind after he was defeated like in Zelda 1, not in an altar in another room? And if the Triforce wasn't absorbed by Ganondorf then that means that he wasn't amplified by all three pieces, right?
 
The real cal howard said:
Pretty much all of Zelda's powers are Triforce based.

Ganon is a wizard even without the Triforce, so it's hard to distinguish what's his Triforce powers and what's his wizard powers, especially with OoT and ALTTP on the table.

99% of Link's powers either come from weapons or when he doesn't have any piece of the Triforce.
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Even after obtaining it, Ganon still considers it omnipotent. If it couldn't even do what Ganon can, he wouldn't consider it omnipotent. Also, given that pretty much all of Ganon's power comes from Din, it would make sense that she gave them to the symbol of her power.

Same for Link except the second part.
 
The reason I said Triforce vs Left eye is because I currently have a match-up and Ganon seems to be one of the few characters thematic who could be a rival for Bayonetta.

P.S. Is Ganondorf sexier thant Dante?
 
AttLP is the first game that takes place in the Downfall Timeline; it follows Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time managing to defeat Link and Zelda while taking both of their Triforces. And I'm not sure what you're asking if possession or absorbed into his body. The Triforce being in the next room is most likely a game mechanic if that's what you're asking.
 
I agree with The Everlasting that this seems like speculation. Sorry.
 
The real cal howard said:
Pretty much all of Zelda's powers are Triforce based.

Ganon is a wizard even without the Triforce, so it's hard to distinguish what's his Triforce powers and what's his wizard powers, especially with OoT and ALTTP on the table.

99% of Link's powers either come from weapons or when he doesn't have any piece of the Triforce.
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Warlock cal . Ya best call my man ganon what he is and not a half baked wizard .
 
Sorry for the monstruos delay.

This is the scan:
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Being the origin of "all things" means that the TF get their abilities.

This also solves the issue of the MS resisting the TF, as such an ability would have to be granted by the TF itself. Using the backstory that the manual gives us, we can assume that someone, fearing that evil may take the TF, made the wish for the MS to resist the TF's effects, in order to fight it. My bets are on SS!Link (lived before the events of ALTTP, knows that evil will try to take the TF in the future, knows about the existance of the MS, and knows that no one evil will have it, and can use the TF), but assuming who did it would be speculation.

This is also a situation similar to that of the sages. Thanks to Hyrule Encyclopedia, we know that the powers of the sages also come directly from the TF.

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(The only thing in the Sacred Realm that can talk is the TF, especialy talk between dimensions) Again, who made the wish is unknown (even though I think it was Rauru)

This would also resolve the great plot hole that ALTTP had which is "If the TF can grant wishes, then why Ganon just didn't wish to break the seal with the TF?"

So precedent wishes can come into contrast with past one, and as we learnt now, the TF grants precedence to older wishes.

For who's wondering, the first scan also come from HE.
 
To TfP's credit, we do see the Triforce being able to reverse the effects of things that weren't Triforce based, like how the True Force was able to break the sleeping curse put on the "first" Zelda, or how it broke Aganhim's mind control over the Hylian soldiers in ALTTP.
 
Also how and why would the Triforce grant the Master Sword the ability to... resist the Triforce?
 
So should we close this thread?
 
Not too certain about every hax abilities, but the Triforce in itself definitely possesses a wide variety, including impressive levels of Reality Warping and should be further improved by any ability granted from Triforce Fractions. And about Master Sword resisting the Triforce, I too am rather skeptical on that; it's more so the Master Sword is the sword of Evil's bane.

Which comes to another thing I heard, I do vaguely recall statements about only a pure hearted being can truly harness the Complete Triforce's full power. That's not to say evil beings can't use it; Ganon is definitely the most powerful villain in the series by far when in possession of the full Triforce, but Link be the Golden Goddesses chozen hero was the primary reason Ganon lost to ALttP Link. But Link being in possession of the Complete Triforce himself is definitely far stronger than Ganon with Complete Triforce ever was.

So rather than the Master Sword resisting Triforce, it's better said that Ganon was being weakened by the Master Sword, and/or was unable to truly grasp the Triforce's full power.
 
The Everlasting said:
"Ultimate force behind all things" does not mean the Triforce has all the abilities in Zelda.
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Yes, because that means that the TF is the source of every power in the Zelda verse. When the Twili use soul manip, they use a power that comes to the TF; when Link uses timestop, that's an ability granted by the TF. I seriously can't think of a more explicit statement to make the TF scale to the hax of the verse. It's like the reason Arceus scale to the CT's abilities, but even more radical.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
That's not to say evil beings can't use it; Ganon is definitely the most powerful villain in the series by far when in possession of the full Triforce, but Link be the Golden Goddesses chozen hero was the primary reason Ganon lost to ALttP Link. But Link being in possession of the Complete Triforce himself is definitely far stronger than Ganon with Complete Triforce ever was.

So rather than the Master Sword resisting Triforce, it's better said that Ganon was being weakened by the Master Sword, and/or was unable to truly grasp the Triforce's full power.
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Sound like headcanon. It's said MS is the only thing who can kill Ganon, but not weakened it. If the MS weakened it, how can he one shot WW Link who have the Master Sword?

And it's never said Ganon can't use the full power of the Triforce.
 
"Master Sword is the only thing that can kill Ganon," we pretty much went over that many times. I don't need to explain that part. The Master Sword is the most powerful weapon to be used against Ganon or other evil beings in the Zelda series, yes. But where is it stated the Master Sword can resist the Triforce?

And that's pretty much the entire plot of Ocarina of Time. Ganondorf placed his hands on the Triforce, but due to his evil heart, it merely separated the Triforce into 3 parts and only the Triforce of Power remained for him to use. Zelda also stated after Ganondorf's first form was defeated. Right here it is basically stated Ganondorf will never truly be able to harness the full power of the Golden Goddesses.
 
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