Zelda low and mid tiers downgrade

[Dust_Collector]

So the low tiers and mid tiers of the series are Country level and Large Country level respectively due to storm shenanigans, however with the new standards for storm creation feats they are now due for a hefty downgrade.

The calcs I made use KE but now CAPE is the standard assumption we use unless KE can be proven, which in these cases it cannot as the storms just kinda form out of thin air and no clouds are visibly being moved. The chart on the Standard Storm calculations page conveniently already has a result we can use for Argoroks feat (Cloud height of 6,000 metres which we already use for Argoroks feat), and the highest result on that table is 5.44 Gigatons if I've converted the joules correctly, a far cry from the 287 Teratons the mid tiers currently scale to. And that's to say nothing of how badly affected the Wizzrobes far less impressive storm feat would be.

So basically, all the Country level characters should go back to their old ratings of Small Island level+ via scaling to bombs, and the Large Country level characters should be at least Large Island level+ via scaling to Gyorgs casual 500 gigaton feat.

 

[Theglassman12]

This seems alright.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

The storm calc ruins everything.

 

[TriforcePower1]

I thought they would be downgraded more, but I forgot about the bomb feat. Yeah, there's nothing to discuss here, I agree.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Bump

Forgot to mention but the mid tiers should actually be Large Island level+, not Island level, via scaling to the MM bosses.

 

[Antvasima]

You should use the Knowledgeable Members List to find people to ask to comment here.

 

[Antvasima]

That said, I personally think that this seems to make sense.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah, he makes sense.

 

[Konaguna]

• sees storm calc downgrade threads*

Watch me downgrade dark souls

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Doesn't Argorok use wind manipulation though? It was generally agreed that pushing or pulling clouds with wind could be Kinetic energy applicable.

 

[Konaguna]

More input on his wind manip?

 

[Antvasima]

So is somebody experienced willing to perform the changes?

 

[Theglassman12]

I'll try to get a list of who would need to be changed

 

[Theglassman12]

Link (Zelda 1)

Link (ALTTP)

Wind fish

Shadow Nightmares

King Dodongo

Link (OoT)

Dead Hand

Morpha

Bongo Bongo

Phantom Gano

Volvagia

Link (MM)

Odolwa

Goht

TwinMold

Onox

Vera

Link (FS)

Link (WW)

Phantom Ganon (WW)

Argorok

Bellum

Link (ST)

Malladus

Link (ALBW)

Yuga

EVERYONE in Hyrule Warriors.

Twinrova

Vaati

Gohma

Zelda

Ganondorf

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you. Which of them need to be unlocked?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Glassman's list looks good. And I could help out with the edits if needed.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You missed incomplete Ganon.

 

[Antvasima]

Help would be appreciated.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I added Ganondorf to that list. And oh yeah, it might be a good idea to link the old calcs that the various characters scale to again.

 

[Phoenix821]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Project_NF:_Zelda_Calcs

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That's one of them, but then we also need Gyorg's High 6-C feat.

 

[Phoenix821]

Is this it?

http://web.archive.org/web/20171221...s-goht-and-gyorg-****-with-the-climate.20387/

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

We need a Gyorg profile. I already made Goht.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I edited the Majora's Mask characters, and I know the Young Link bosses scale to the bombs, but which characters scale to Wind Fish? I know Nightmare, Onox, Veran, Base Ganon, The Links who fought said bosses, but did Twinrova?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Twinrova scales above Onox and Veran.

I've also made a Gyorg profile.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I see, and I'll need to get some sleep now, but I may be able to help out a bit tomorrow before work, but then I'm free then next following two days.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I've made changes to the beginner bosses in Ocarina of Time and more important characters like OOT Link, Ganondorf, Twinrova, Onox, Veran, and Yuga.

 

[Rikuchiha]

Why does Link have a lifting strenght similar to the Four Giants? Do you guys realize Giant Link, despite the name, is at the very least FOUR times smaller than them?