Yuya vs Zeno

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

It all comes down to how Zeno will start the match: If Zeno will star with the erasure of Yuya's monsters, then he will use nullification, and Zeno wont be able to do a thing. However if Zeno will start by erasing Yuya and his monsters at the same time, then he will bypass his nullification...

With Zeno personality and what was shown so far, I'm going with Zeno erasing him and his monsters at the spot without second thought.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Im still at a loss on how erasing everyone nulls negation

 

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

Like you stated before Yuya only power nulls if one of his monsters would be destroyed, or erased. Itś a reactive power null.

Reactive power, that's the key word. He would use it after his monster will be destroyed. If he will get erased with them, he wont be able to use null, because he will be gone in the same moment.


I really don't think it's complicated.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

No, its if is opponent were to erase or destroy them, it would be negated and destroyed

 

[Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer]

It's not a "would be" effect exactly but it functions the same way in this context. The null is in response to attempting to use the power/effect, not to it being successfully executed

 

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

And I'm guessing that Clear Wing, works in instant, he doesnt even needs to cast it in order for it to work?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Clear wing just needs to glow

 

[Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer]

It's not like the null itself is passive but a guaranteed window to use it is. To clarify, with Clear Wing, the erasure is initiated on Zeno's end but nulled actively. In the case of a "would be" effect, the act of initiation itself would be completely mulled, this is relevant against other types of powers.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

^Tnis. Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

So it does need a time to activate. However, after Zeno is serious about something, he's erasing in instant, not allowing any opponent to make moves against his will. (As proven against Frost who was about to shoot Frieza, Zeno reacted without giving him a chance for it)... And that was basically all we got from Zeno in terms of not allowing other people for using their powers...

Once again I'll go with Zeno erasing Yuya, before he'll even use Clear Wing, however this could go in both directions, depending on who would go with what first.

 

[DMB_1]

No, it doesn't. Clear Wing's effect negation is instantaneous.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If he negates Zeno activating his ability. It can't erase him though

 

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

No, it doesn't. Clear Wing's effect negation is instantaneous.

Sure but will Zeno even let him use it ?

 

[DMB_1]

Yes, because it goes like this:

Zeno rises his hand up to erase, and he's about to close his hand;

Clear Wing nulls it;

Zeno closes his hand and nothing happens.

 

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

That's not my question... You said how Clear wing works, however creator of this thread stated that:

Clear wing just needs to glow

So cant he erase him before Clear Wing will even start to glow?

 

[Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer]

It's not that nothing happens. If Zeno's attack is negated, he's killed by Clear Wing

EDIT: it might seem like I'm being pedantic because it doesn't matter in this particular case but Zeno doesn't get to close his hand

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Bump

 

[DMB_1]

Anyways, Yuya FRA