Youmu Konpaku vs Future Warrior (X2)

[TheGreatJedi13]

Bro Youmu has CM 1
its joeover

only concept creation for magic cards so...

 

[REX9097]

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[Quibster]

So funny thing to note, both can interact with their danmaku/ki blasts. However, the fact that Youmu's attacks involve Spirit makes this incredibly one-sided, discounting a one-shot AP gap. Forcefield creation is kind of irrelevant here since the gap in strength suggests that shields will either shatter or be unwise for FW.

TK is an interesting way to counteract Youmu's Danmaku, though, how will FW handle Youmu's Phantom-Half? This is pretty much a 2v1 here. Can his TK target two things at once?

 

[Fezzih_007]

However, the fact that Youmu's attacks involve Spirit makes this incredibly one-sided

Why?
I not seeing anything on the page that FW Time Power would't be able to deal it.

 

[Quibster]

I not seeing anything on the page that FW Time Power would't be able to deal it.

So personally, I don't doubt that it could "work" in terms of interacting with Youmu's attacks, but the AP gap here suggests that the sheer volume of attacks Youmu is unleashing presents a major problem for FW, if not a deciding factor. Youmu holds a CQC advantage, with Danmaku as both her primary means of attack and defense. It's essentially the core of most of her entire fighting style.

It's also worth noting that attacks in Touhou absorb energy, chi, and stamina. This means that any strike from a sword or bullet instantly saps/transmutes the target's energy, which is then absorbed and replenishes Youmu's stamina and chi. Given that both Touhou and DBX's energy systems are indexed similarly, it's plausible that the same logic could apply towards Ki Blasts here. Unless FW’s Time Power has a specific mechanism to prevent this entirely.

Edit: I'm largely unfamiliar with DBX's Time Power. My surface-level knowledge is Xeno Trunks stomping Youmu in the past, though the specifics elude me.

 

[Deidalius]

Doesn't the Time power make this fight a stomp in Dripless Warrior's favor? I see really broken powers there like EE, reversing time, Power nullification, Causality and Fate manipulation, etc, I don't think Youmu could deal with those abilities.

How does time power works? Can FW nuke Youmu with a thought from existence or does it require different methods of activation?

 

[Quibster]

Anyway, FW2 has info analysis which scan enemy abilities, so he will know the danger posed by Yommu, he will use abilities, but the problem still stand, what abilities he going to use??

Yeah I'm not sure what his opener here is going to be. My first thought is CQC but Danmaku shuts that down. TK seems like a viable option? Not sure.

 

[Fezzih_007]

So personally, I don't doubt that it could "work" in terms of interacting with Youmu's attacks, but the AP gap here suggests that the sheer volume of attacks Youmu is unleashing presents a major problem for FW, if not a deciding factor.

Ah I see, the amount would really be a problem for him. Most of his own Danmaku would't be able to counter the onslaught of attacks that Youma have tbh... trought, FW could use his power mimicry to copy her attacks and do the same agaisnt her, IF he survives long enough.

To avoid that, he have a few options.
Since he have Power of Destruction, he could cover himself in a aura of EE and do this. Which is not IC.
He could go outside of Youmu range by teleport, and duraneg her from outside of the range of her normal Danmaku.
He can go Ultra Instict to avoid her attacks. Since FW gains Instictive Action, he should be able to avoid for a while until he copies her attacks.

It's also worth noting that attacks in Touhou absorb energy, chi, and spirit. This means that any strike from a sword or bullet instantly saps/transmutes the target's energy, which is then absorbed and replenishes Youmu's stamina and chi. Given that both Touhou and DBX's energy systems are indexed similarly, it's plausible that the same logic could apply to Ki Blasts here. Unless FW’s Time Power has a specific mechanism to prevent this entirely.

Well, FW normal ki blast she probally gonna be fine, but if he use Time Power he can just Power Null her attacks.

Yeah I'm not sure what his opener here is going to be. My first thought is CQC but Danmaku shuts that down.

Well, seeing that he can sense her Ki and notice how much Immensily more powerfull she is than him, FW would think twice in going into CQC. So he go to use other powers of his arsenal.

How does time power works? Can FW nuke Youmu with a thought from existence or does it require different methods of activation?

He need to fire a attack with that type of energy, pretty sure.

 

[Angelzewolf]

I'm sick I'm arguing against someone whose starting move is completely unknown—

Anyway. From what I'm seeing, Youmu has an AP advantage (I've seen a few mentions of her one-shotting), and that alone is big as she can fire hundreds of bullets with relative ease.

Both fighters have ways to become invulnerable and intangible, but I believe this works better for Youmu since she also has the additional aid of forcefield creation while Future Warrior's forcefields would get shattered in one blow. Basically, Youmu has three reliable defense options, and unlike Future Warrior, these don't noticeably effect her stamina.

To further add onto Youmu's defensive options, she is able to slow down attacks that are close proximity to her. From what I'm seeing on the profile, Future Warrior doesn't resist this effect, so his attacks would struggle to land. Looking into his power null, it's not really helpful. Not only is it "limited," but it's not a permanent effect as far as I'm aware.

A lot of Future Warrior's abilities require some form of contact, not all, and while he can potentially land them, the chances of Youmu one-shotting seems more reliable given her defensive options, the fact it's a 2v1 scenario, and the fact she can spam hundreds of bullets with her sword slashes, giving her an edge in CQC and range.

As a side note, Jesus. Future Warrior's page is hard to read, I don't know if it's because I'm on mobile, but it's hard to tell what abilities fall in his 2-C key and what don't. I've also noticed people mentioning things Future Warrior has never shown to do. He gets abilities through the skills learned throughout Xenoverse, but why are we assuming he gets the full package? Like the God of Destruction Aura, in which he has never shown to use the same way as Toppo. Instead just having two techniques he can do. Maybe there's another case of him doing it, but I wouldn't know because where on earth are the scans? Many abilities have the technique listed, but not many actually supports Future Warrior being able to do everything other characters can. (Again, like Toppo's EE aura).

Overall, doesn't matter. While Future Warrior has a lot of techniques, I'm fairly confident Youmu can land the decisive blow far before he can pull off any of his helpful skills... (Especially since I do not know what he even starts with).

 

[Fezzih_007]

Anyway. From what I'm seeing, Youmu has an AP advantage (I've seen a few mentions of her one-shotting),

Yeah, she scales to more universes than FW.

Blah blah blah, Youmu Danmaku one-shot

This is cool and all, but you din't adress how Youmu would deal with FW using any of his tranformation to gain a speed advantage against Youmu, so he can avoid her attacks. He knows how more powerfull she is than him, so FW not gonna mess around and use his most usefull abilities right off the bat. If he use Ultra Instinct, I doubt Youmu would be able to tag him.

Like the God of Destruction Aura, in which he has never shown to use the same way as Toppo.

Is more because he can use the same energy as Toppo, so he should have all the capability of that too.
Trought, is not In-Character for him to use like that, so

 

[Angelzewolf]

This is cool and all, but you din't adress how Youmu would deal with FW using any of his tranformation to gain a speed advantage against Youmu, so he can avoid her attacks. He knows how more powerfull she is than him, so FW not gonna mess around and use his most usefull abilities right off the bat. If he use Ultra Instinct, I doubt Youmu would be able to tag him.

I did not notice he didn't start transformed. Well, the issue is that although Future Warrior is fast, Youmu's attacks are plentiful. Not only that, she even has an attack that can cover an infinite width for added difficulty, and again, a 2v1 to further increase her chances of landing a hit.

The problem is that Youmu has multiple reliable ways to keep Future Warrior off of her and his attacks from reaching her, while having ways to make avoiding her attacks more difficult. Future Warrior's best defensive option (that he'd reasonably use) is dodging. Forcefields are ineffective, and his brief invulnerable and Intagibility aren't things that can be spammed. Despite Xenoverse players desperately trying to do that. Pair that up with the fact that any attacks Youmu lands would be far more detrimental to Future Warrior than vice versa.

Is more because he can use the same energy as Toppo, so he should have all the capability of that too.
Trought, is not In-Character for him to use like that, so

Yeah, he has never used that for that purpose. Not in cutscenes, as a skill, as a brief mention, nothing. I'm inclined to believe that it won't be a factor in this battle, whether or not he can even give himself an EE aura.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Well, the issue is that although Future Warrior is fast, Youmu's attacks are plentiful.

I doubt is gonna be enough trought. FW ultra instict speed amp would be too much for her, is almost a speedblitz. With his IA too, is kinda be difficulty for him to get hit. He can also teleport to avoid and get near her.

Not only that, she even has an attack that can cover an infinite width for added difficulty,

I do agree is gonna be difficulty, IF she does that, but I think FW can teleport out of the range of her attack. His teleport is like, 5D of range.

The problem is that Youmu has multiple reliable ways to keep Future Warrior off of her and his attacks from reaching her, while having ways to make avoiding her attacks more difficult

Does she have a way to avoid FW time stop/Skip? She have resistance on her profile, but FW time Manipulation is 5D, so is gonna affect her.
He can use that to avoid her attacks and land some of his hax.

Pair that up with the fact that any attacks Youmu lands would be far more detrimental to Future Warrior than vice versa.

Considering FW not gonna use any normal attack, and going with his more powerfull hax, like time Power, this is not fully true.

 

[Deidalius]

He need to fire a attack with that type of energy, pretty sure.

I see, in that case, Youmu stands a chance.

I can see FW dodging some of Youmu's attacks with UI and by knowing she can one shot him and preparing for it.

But I doubt he can touch Youmu due to how skilled and experienced she is at dodging danmaku.

 

[Angelzewolf]

I doubt is gonna be enough trought. FW ultra instict speed amp would be too much for her, is almost a speedblitz. With his IA too, is kinda be difficulty for him to get hit. He can also teleport to avoid and get near her.

I mean... is there some sort of multiplier for the UI amp? I don't doubt he'd be faster, but having an actual value could be helpful.

However, yes. Her hitting him would be difficult, my argument is that him hitting her would be more unlikely. He's faster, but Youmu has four reliable defensive options he can't bypass, plus has experienced dodging much more difficult things than what FW would dish out. It doesn't help that he's, again, outnumbered. Realistically, nothing is stopping her from bombarding the battlefield and leaving no room to dodge outside of the spellcard rules, which I don't think applies here.

I do agree is gonna be difficulty, IF she does that, but I think FW can teleport out of the range of her attack. His teleport is like, 5D of range.

His teleports could be problematic, yeah. I didn't realize he had such a wide range, and I don't think Youmu has anything above universal range.

Does she have a way to avoid FW time stop/Skip? She have resistance on her profile, but FW time Manipulation is 5D, so is gonna affect her.
He can use that to avoid her attacks and land some of his hax.

Alright, seriously. FW profile needs a revamp cause it barely goes into detail. Time Skip could help him a bit, though I can't see it being very useful for offense, since he seems a lot more limited than Hit and his attacks are very telegraphed... plus they'd do no damage. We don't even know if he can combine Time Skip with other abilities as he hasn't shown that capability.

Considering FW not gonna use any normal attack, and going with his more powerfull hax, like time Power, this is not fully true.

Wouldn't he tho? FW consistently fights like a typical DBZ character whenever a player isn't controlling him. Even against Final Form Mira, who required SSB Goku's aid, and Merged Zamasu, FW didn't use any of his potent hax as far as we're aware.

I don't really see him pulling out his most broken stuff, since we've never seen him do any of that in cutscenes. And even then, a lot of his abilities are temporary.

 

[Catbowtie]

Yea FW's profile is dog cheeks. We do know that FW has crazy hands but that's just about it.

 

[REX9097]

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