Yog-Sothoth Low 1-A (Nasuverse)

[Overlord_Darkness]

Hello. In this thread I want to brought up Yog-Sothoth from Nasuverse. Since BDE Type 2 was changed and now it grants at least Low 1-A, then Yog-Sothoth should has this tier on the page.

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Disagree: @Grabbing_dragon @BestMGQScalerEver @Dark_Soul20189

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Yeah this is definitely low 1A she encompass all possible dimensions thats already low 1A

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Bro. We've gone over this already in a previous thread as well as threads from a year ago.

Abigail williams (Foreigner) tier upgrade

Hi! I came with new arguments and evidence. I will explain why the character up the Low 1-A rank. 1)My first argument ; It encompasses all possible spaces on Earth and in the Outer Universe and is said to exist beyond them. This is also explained in the vsbw profile. I'll leave some evidence...

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"All possible dimensions" is a mistranslation.

Type 2 BDE should just be flat out removed too since it uses an incorrect translation.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Bro. We've gone over this already.

Abigail williams (Foreigner) tier upgrade

Hi! I came with new arguments and evidence. I will explain why the character up the Low 1-A rank. 1)My first argument ; It encompasses all possible spaces on Earth and in the Outer Universe and is said to exist beyond them. This is also explained in the vsbw profile. I'll leave some evidence...

vsbattles.com

"All possible dimensions" is a mistranslation.

Type 2 BDE should just be flat out removed too since it uses an incorrect translation.

thier realy no point to this thread it should be deleted

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Bro. We've gone over this already in a previous thread as well as threads from a year ago.

Abigail williams (Foreigner) tier upgrade

Hi! I came with new arguments and evidence. I will explain why the character up the Low 1-A rank. 1)My first argument ; It encompasses all possible spaces on Earth and in the Outer Universe and is said to exist beyond them. This is also explained in the vsbw profile. I'll leave some evidence...

vsbattles.com

"All possible dimensions" is a mistranslation.

Type 2 BDE should just be flat out removed too since it uses an incorrect translation.

"All possible spaces". Alright.. Space includes dimensionality as well as time. In this case, all possible spaces = all possible dimensions.

Example: space with 4th geometrical dimension or with 5th e.t.c.

So no problem with that.

And profile directly states: "encompasses all possible spaces". No problem with that too.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

"All possible spaces". Alright.. Space includes dimensionality as well as time. In this case, all possible spaces = all possible dimensions.

Example: space with 4th geometrical dimension or with 5th e.t.c.

So no problem with that.

And profile directly states: "encompasses all possible spaces". No problem with that too.

It does not say "All possible dimensions" it says "every space" and then talks about 3-D space in context. (yes I know it scales above 3-D here but that's just because there are multiple writers who likely dont know about the other information about the cosmology but the point is that it doesnt extend to all possible extensions of space)

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

It does not say "All possible dimensions" it says "every space" and then talks about 3-D space in context.

There was some message in previous threads from year ago that explains how japanese verses often uses directions as indicators of dimensionality beyond 3D. As I remember, bro used as example Pokemon verse and few others.

Plus, Nasuverse already has some higher-dimensions like the Moon Cell or Avalon which makes this interpretation valid.

UPD: that's why I see no problem with "all possible spaces" be also interpretation of higher-dimensions in terms of Yog's power.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

There was some message in previous threads from year ago that explains how japanese verses often uses directions as indicators of dimensionality beyond 3D. As I remember, bro used as example Pokemon verse and few others.

Plus, Nasuverse already has some higher-dimensions like the Moon Cell or Avalon which makes this interpretation valid.

I asked Ultima about this on Discord and he said its fine to just interpret it as referring to 3-D space alone.

Executor also has a good explanation on this too and said it referred to 3-D as well.

It only scales above the higher dimensions because F/GO isn't consistent with the writing or cosmology of the verse since there are multiple writers and they likely dont know every single little piece of information.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

I asked Ultima about this on Discord and he said its fine to just interpret it as referring to 3-D space alone.

Executor also has a good explanation on this too and said it referred to 3-D as well.

It only scales above 3-D/4-D because F/GO isn't consistent with the writing or cosmology of the verse since there are multiple writers and they likely dont know every single little piece of information.

F/GO considered as main canon for Nasuverse as well as other works like Tsukuhime. Ofc it has multiple writers, but it doesn't make their input invalid bc', again, F/GO still to be canon which includes this particular part as well.

About interpretation: it depends from verse to verse. In Nasuverse, I think, it's okay to consider it higher because of already existing higher-dimensional structures which basically added to this spaces because of Yog-sothoth's existence beyond The World.

UPD: DeepL translates orig JP script with "all possible", so... Meme

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

F/GO considered as main canon for Nasuverse as well as other works like Tsukuhime. Ofc it has multiple writers, but it doesn't make their input invalid bc', again, F/GO still to be canon which includes this particular part as well.

About interpretation: it depends from verse to verse. In Nasuverse, I think, it's okay to consider it higher because of already existing higher-dimensional structures which basically added to this spaces because of Yog-sothoth's existence beyond The World.

I agree it should extend to moon cell and avalon since that kinda just happens when it's beyond the dimensions of the universe but that's still only scaling to as much many dimensions there are in the cosmology and not "all possible extensions of dimensionality". My point is just that the statement only extends to specific dimensions/directions.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

I agree it should extend to moon cell and avalon since that kinda just happens when it's beyond the dimensions of the universe but that's still only scaling to as much many dimensions there are in the cosmology and not "all possible extensions of dimensionality". My point is just that the statement only extends to specific dimensions/directions.

I understand that. I can send translation from DeepL when there's will be sunlight in my region, bc' it claims "all possible spaces".

Also I want to add that BDE Type 2 is legit in this particular case bc' of existence beyond such spaces of the Universe and Outer Universe (where Cthulhu has Sunken Spiral Castle with non-euclidian geometry)

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

UPD: DeepL translates orig JP script with "all possible", so... Meme

false

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

false

Let me answer tomorrow, please. I have no access to PC right now.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I understand that. I can send translation from DeepL when there's will be sunlight in my region, bc' it claims "all possible spaces".

Also I want to add that BDE Type 2 is legit in this particular case bc' of existence beyond such spaces of the Universe and Outer Universe (where Cthulhu has Sunken Spiral Castle with non-euclidian geometry)

Non-euclidean geometry doesn't really mean much for proving BDE type 2 tho or all possible dimensions.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Non-euclidean geometry doesn't really mean much for proving BDE type 2 tho or all possible dimensions.

Consider Sunken Spiral Castle from Outer Universe alongside Moon Cell and Avalon from the Universe.

 

[KingNanaya]

Looking at this, it appears that type 2 BDE was meant to be kept and was deemed valid. That's all I feel like contributing. If it's wrong, it's wrong. If it's right, it's right.

Ultima Reality/sandbox

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[BestMGQScalerEver]

Looking at this, it appears that type 2 BDE was meant to be kept and was deemed valid. That's all I feel like contributing. If it's wrong, it's wrong. If it's right, it's right.

Ultima Reality/sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ultima more than likely based it on the (incorrect) translation of "all possible dimensions" and whats said on the BDE type 2 justification, also considering with the screenshot I sent of him on discord saying it refers to 3-D space.

 

[Hasty12345]

There’s already a crt open using these exact scans btw

 

[KingNanaya]

Ultima more than likely based it on the (incorrect) translation of "all possible dimensions" and whats said on the BDE type 2 justification, also considering with the screenshot I sent of him on discord saying it refers to 3-D space.

Wasn't that supposed to have been changed over a year ago now? I thought your CRT to change it to "all of space" passed?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Wasn't that supposed to have been changed over a year ago now? I thought your CRT to change it to "all of space" passed?

Our edits and CRTs overlapped. If you check he editted in his revisions like 3 hours after mine. So the mistranslation being used just got overlooked.

 

[KingNanaya]

Damn

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

a two cents but あらゆる空間 just means all space so it probs won't mean much. Even if you argue every possible space it doesn't mean much since it isn't space time or dimensions being said so not much about BDE really

Also everyone is trying to make their yoggy tier 1-A if not 0 lately lmfao

 

[Railgun]

Yeah this is definitely low 1A she encompass all possible dimensions thats already low 1A

You agreed with this one but disagreed with the other one dude. Both of them used the same arguments

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah, I hard disagree with this thread, just like the last one.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

You agreed with this one but disagreed with the other one dude. Both of them used the same arguments

he got me good , but this was a valuable lesson to search previous threads before agreeing.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

a two cents but あらゆる空間 just means all space so it probs won't mean much. Even if you argue every possible space it doesn't mean much since it isn't space time or dimensions being said so not much about BDE really

Thing about BDE is Yog's existence beyond Universe higher-dimensions as Outer Universe (which has at least 4-D) and moreover encompassing Outer Universe within itself. It type 2 really, 'cause he exists beyond such dimensions and space and transcends them (that's why he is 1-C for now).

I do not understand why we cannot consider "all space" as Low 1-A here 'cause Nasuverse shown such things as Avalon and Moon Cell which Yog transcends and we only operate with in-verse shown dimensions.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Our edits and CRTs overlapped. If you check he editted in his revisions like 3 hours after mine. So the mistranslation being used just got overlooked.

I used your CRT with translation to add BDE Type 2 that time.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Thing about BDE is Yog's existence beyond Universe higher-dimensions as Outer Universe (which has at least 4-D) and moreover encompassing Outer Universe within itself. It type 2 really, 'cause he exists beyond such dimensions and space and transcends them (that's why he is 1-C for now).

I do not understand why we cannot consider "all space" as Low 1-A here 'cause Nasuverse shown such things as Avalon and Moon Cell which Yog transcends and we only operate with in-verse shown dimensions.

because all space can mean A LOT of things. If we assume the highest possible ball then every verse can get away with just saying all space. The crux was "all dimensions" which was a mistranslation and that would have far more concrete evidence than all space. Making the highest assumptions from a statement that has a more reasonable lowball is not gonna make this low 1-A.

Also do we even know what the Outer Universe even is exactly? Besides being outside of our known universe (iirc).

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

the frequency of this upgrade attempts might call for a rule

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

because all space can mean A LOT of things. If we assume the highest possible ball then every verse can get away with just saying all space. The crux was "all dimensions" which was a mistranslation and that would have far more concrete evidence than all space. Making the highest assumptions from a statement that has a more reasonable lowball is not gonna make this low 1-A.

I mean that here, in Nasuverse, all of space is at least Low 1-C and 1-C considering Outer Universe with it. It's like a cake, where Universe > Outer Universe > Ultimate Gate > Yog-Sothoth. So in this particular case assuming Low 1-A is not an extrapolation I think.

Also do we even know what the Outer Universe even is exactly? Besides being outside of our known universe (iirc).

It's a home to Outer Gods and place from where they came from. As we know, this structure includes at least Sunken Spiral Castle which includes non-euclidian geometry:
○雅号・異星蛸：Ｂ
深淵の邪神と混然となった境地で描かれる非ユークリッド幾何学的画風。

and.. Well, it also includes all other Outer Gods. That's all we know about Outer Universe except it is a place of pure fiction and madness that transcends boundary of reason, logic and laws of physics. We can also consider and discuss Dreamlands 'cause this structure appears to be vast, but this is truly complicated case.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Even if you argue every possible space it doesn't mean much since it isn't space time or dimensions being said

Well... Abby talks about Ultimate Gate here (the great gate of time and space). First scan clarifies six doors which are gates which reaches across all of time and space.

 

[Everything12]

Non-euclidean geometry doesn't mean much of anything, their is actual non-euclidean geometry in real life. It's nothing anywhere close to as special as you think it is.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Non-euclidean geometry doesn't mean much of anything, their is actual non-euclidean geometry in real life. It's nothing anywhere close to as special as you think it is.

Fair enough. Well, then just let's exclude this part if it doesn't affect anything. Outer Universe in any case beyond Universe and it's higher-dimensional structures.

 

[IlekVad14]

because all space can mean A LOT of things. If we assume the highest possible ball then every verse can get away with just saying all space. The crux was "all dimensions" which was a mistranslation and that would have far more concrete evidence than all space. Making the highest assumptions from a statement that has a more reasonable lowball is not gonna make this low 1-A.

Also do we even know what the Outer Universe even is exactly? Besides being outside of our known universe (iirc).

Being "outside" the universe, as in the case of the Outer Gods, doesn't necessarily have to mean that they have any superiority over it. It's similar to being outside your own house, you are not inherently more powerful just because you are outside. Using this analogy, everything that happens inside the house (the universe) would have no direct effect on you as long as you stay away.

And if I recall correctly, there are scans that mentioned the Outer Gods originating from another space-time continuum (when they Hijacked the throne of heroes). I'll need to recheck that to confirm.

 

[Floxiaaa]

It does not say "All possible dimensions" it says "every space" and then talks about 3-D space in context. (yes I know it scales above 3-D here but that's just because there are multiple writers who likely dont know about the other information about the cosmology but the point is that it doesnt extend to all possible extensions of space)

I thought I explained this to you. After a while, he stops counting and briefly talks about all possible dimesions.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I thought I explained this to you. After a while, he stops counting and briefly talks about all possible dimesions.

No.

 

[Floxiaaa]

No.

Why?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Why?

"all possible dimensions" is a mistranslation.

 

[Floxiaaa]

"all possible dimensions" is a mistranslation.

Can you send me the original translation?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

[JP] Script 0200040711

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Can you send me the original translation?

RAWS:六つの扉は、上下、左右、前後の、あらゆる空間を、意味して、いる。ENGLISH TRANSLATION:The six doors signifies every space going up and down, left and right, front and back.

RAWS:そして 彼の、大いなる神は、決して光届かぬ、あたしたちの宇宙の、外側、窮極の門、の彼方、に鎮座なさっている。それでいながら、あらゆる空間に隣り合い、全てと、つながっている。不確かな人の言葉に綴られ、“スト・テュホン”と、呼ばれることも、ある、けれど……。ENGLISH TRANSLATION:And his Great God is seated beyond the ultimate gate that is beyond our universe where light cannot reach.He is adjoined to every space, connected to everything.Written in a human language that is unclear, he is sometimes referred to as "Sut Tyhoon" but..