Yhwach's Current Almighty Weakness

[AppleLord]

The second weakness is a basic assumption without evidence. Yhwach's page says that the Soul King (Yhwach's father) escapes or is immune to the Almighty's premonition power. All I want to say about this is to prove it by providing a scan, because after re-watching the manga, I found nothing of this sort.

Mimihagi became the Soul King by attaching itself to the previous Soul King (Yhwach's father) that Ichigo killed, while been controlled by Yhwach. The "Soul King" isn't immune to Yhwach, unless that "Soul King" is Mimihagi before Yhwach absorb him. Remove that The Soul King escapes Yhwach's premonitions, that's false info until proven otherwise.

Source for my claims: Bleach- Chapter 614 pages 14-17 / Chapter 618 pages 13 below are the links.

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-614-page-1.html

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-618-page-1.html

Soul King and Mimihagi are two different entities, we cannot judge and assume that the Soul King had Mimihagi, Pernida, and Gerard's powers from the beginning. That isn't implied anywhere.

Therefore the original Soul King isn't immune to Yhwach's Almighty.

Yhwach's Almighty premonition doesn't work on Mimihagi, because of its power, Stagnation Governance.

Is the same power Yhwach took from Mimihagi when he absorb it to stabilize the three main worlds. I'll copy and paste the ability description from Mimihagi's page below.

"Stagnation Governance: Mimihagi governs stagnation, the stopping of development, growth, progress, and change; as it represents stillness, it can prevent whatever that tries to change or develop from happening. Mimihagi can accomplish this via symbosis with whatever being it is attached to."

Source for my claims: Bleach- Chapter 616 pages 12-15 / Chapter 639 page 8 / Chapter 620 page 15 below.

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-616-page-1.html

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-639-page-1.html

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-620-page-1.html

Edit: Let's focus our attention on this topic first.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not have enough knowledge about this issue and time left over to properly evaluate your post. However, you can inform Gwynbleiddd and LordAizenSama about this thread if you wish.

 

[AppleLord]

I've have informed Gwynbleiddd and LordAizenSama about this thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

as for number one, it's false when it comes to "when Yhwach can be affected". Saying Yhwach can only be affected by illusions prior to using almighty is false. This is proven with the Ichibei fight. Base Yhwach was covered with his Ink, forgot himself and had his power reduced to that of an ant's. If the almighty couldn't remove powers and abilities used on him prior to it's activaton, Ichibei's Ink would still have affected him even with Almighty activated.

Therefore, if Yhwach was affected by Illusions even with the almighty activated, that means they can be used against him regardless if he has it activated or not. Nothing Suggests that Almighty protects from illusuions and that he has to affected prior.

If Aizen used KS on Yhwach during the first invasion, activating Almighty would have dispelled it like Ichibei's ability. So that should be edited. Illusions in general are it's weakness.

 

[AppleLord]

Or it proves what aizen said about not been able to escape Kyouga suigetsu power even if you know its affecting you. How can you remove a power that tricks you into doing something else?

 

[Stick695]

as for number one, it's false when it comes to "when Yhwach can be affected". Saying Yhwach can only be affected by illusions prior to using almighty is false. This is proven with the Ichibei fight. Base Yhwach was covered with his Ink, forgot himself and had his power reduced to that of an ant's. If the almighty couldn't remove powers and abilities used on him prior to it's activaton, Ichibei's Ink would still have affected him even with Almighty activated.
Therefore, if Yhwach was affected by Illusions even with the almighty activated, that means they can be used against him regardless if he has it activated or not. Nothing Suggests that Almighty protects from illusuions and that he has to affected prior.

If Aizen used KS on Yhwach during the first invasion, activating Almighty would have dispelled it like Ichibei's ability. So that should be edited. Illusions in general are it's weakness.

during that fight yhwach said that he was capable of seeing into the future even with his eyes in their closed state but not as much as when the almighty is activated

https://gyazo.com/72f831acc874683d36457d3a85424eae

https://gyazo.com/2037630f613dfa64dfb0838132ec9766

https://gyazo.com/ddbe89e1ad82488ab74e77ef0b0db8f5

aizen casted ks when he came to visit him and disordered his sense of time.

the sealed king of quincies will regain his pulse after 900 years, regain his intellect after 90 years and regain his powers after 9 years if he were to use his powers within the 9 years of him regaining his powers then he would lose control over it & the abilities of the sternritters would get taken away.

 

[Antvasima]

I seem to recall that LordAizenSama and Gwynbleiddd replied that they did not know what to make of this thread, so given that this discussion won't lead anywhere, perhaps I should close the topic?

 

[AppleLord]

They just evaded the subject, they didn't even evaluate it. I made it very clear above, and explain the changes. It took a lot of time and effort, they could at least reply to why they disagree instead of changing the subject, please.

 

[TataHakai]

Yhwach definitely has some type of weakness to Illusions since Aizen pretty much says "Kyoka suigetsu can intefere with The almighty's Clairvyoance"

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Wasn't this discussed like a millions times before?

 

[AppleLord]

I wasn't here to know, Pete.

 

[AppleLord]

Yhwach definitely has some type of weakness to Illusions since Aizen pretty much says "Kyoka suigetsu can intefere with The almighty's Clairvyoance"

Yes, because of this ability of Kyoka Suigetsu that people seem to ignore a lot in vs matches.

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-171-page-13.html

 

[Stick695]

Yhwach definitely has some type of weakness to Illusions since Aizen pretty much says "Kyoka suigetsu can intefere with The almighty's Clairvyoance"

Yes, because of this ability of Kyoka Suigetsu that people seem to ignore a lot in vs matches.

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-171-page-13.html

exactly.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@AppleLord

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-610-page-5.html

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-610-page-6.html

Again, the fact that the Almighty negates the affects of abilities used on him prior would have done so to KS. The fact that it didn't means it doesn't protect agaisnt them. Yhwach is also the stronger foe. Reiatsu Laws and what have you dictate Aizen wouldn't have regardless, I.E. Plot hole. So, that aside, this means that Yhwach's Almighty can't protect from what he can't see with it. Illusions have no physical forms. Yhwach can't see an illusion like he can Ichibei's Ink. It's all in his head already.

That's Yhwach's abilities weakness. He can't protect against what he can't see. It's the same as if he was fighting a character who is faster than he is like say Flash. There is no future in which Yhwach can dodge an attack from the flash, thus he wont be able to see flash attack or change any future in which he does etc.

All Yhwach would see is Aizen, not KS because KS doesn't have a physical form that he can percieve with Almighty.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I think I made a thread like this before IIRC...

 

[LordAizenSama]

They just evaded the subject, they didn't even evaluate it. I made it very clear above, and explain the changes. It took a lot of time and effort, they could at least reply to why they disagree instead of changing the subject, please.

We didn't evaluate it because the OP reads like a incoherent mess to be perfectly honest. I read it and have no inkling as to what your point is.

 

[AppleLord]

They just evaded the subject, they didn't even evaluate it. I made it very clear above, and explain the changes. It took a lot of time and effort, they could at least reply to why they disagree instead of changing the subject, please.

We didn't evaluate it because the OP reads like a incoherent mess to be perfectly honest. I read it and have no inkling as to what your point is.

I made it easier now.

 

[AppleLord]

@AppleLord


Again, the fact that the Almighty negates the affects of abilities used on him prior would have done so to KS.

He can't negate something that affects his ability as a whole. Yhwach sees all possible futures, but for this example I'll keep it short.

Yhwach sees futures A, B, C, D, etc. Kyoka Suigetsu is in future Z. Yhwach wants future F but he also wants to see future Z just to be sure. Kyoka Suigetsu makes Yhwach see future Z without Kyoka Suigetsu involvement. So Yhwach chooses future F, but Kyoka Suigetsu disguise future F with future G. So Yhwach got future G thinking it was future F.

He can see all he wants, but he can only choose one future at the time. He won't be able to remove Kyoka Suigetsu when he sees that Kyoka Suigetsu isn't affecting him at all. But it is affecting him.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@AppleLord

Address my entire post or don't bother at all unless you have a reason for not. And if you have a reason, then state it.

 

[AppleLord]

Your argument doesn't have a basic after my replied. There is no other reason behind those words, unless you want to argue that the Flash is running 24\7 and running before they even met. Your fanon battle works as a thread battle, not a real one, so I don't see the need or reason to reply.

 

[Antvasima]

If LordAizenSama and Geynbleiddd are not able to evaluate this thread, it will not lead anywhere, and should be closed.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Your argument doesn't have a basic after my replied. There is no other reason behind those words, unless you want to argue that the Flash is running 24\7 and running before they even met. Your fanon battle works as a thread battle, not a real one, so I don't see the need or reason to reply.

@AppleLord

If you're just gonna bluntly deny logic then this thread is going nowhere. You're not even disproving it, just ignoring it with no real response.

@Ant

If the people who will make the upgrade (LA and Gwyn) aren't able to evaluate, then it's redundant to leave it open just to spiral into circulr arguments. I don't want to be a douche but closing is the best course of action. The OP can get a better understanding of their reasons through a PM if it's not against rules.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will close this thread then.