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Yhwach vs Ikora Rey (Destiny)

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Wokistan said:
She's a voidwalker and that subclass has quite a lot of void aoe focused stuff.
Was talking about "really likes to nuke her enemies with" only saw her used it on the ship.
 
Well that's exactly what she did. In the lore Guardians have spammed their abilities too btw. The cool downs are game mechanics. This can also be seen in Forsaken where Cayde uses his super abilities a lot more than the cool down should allow him to.
 
There was that one build in D1 that would get you a grenade every 4 seconds and Obsidian Mind used to be ridiculous

But yeah, long ability cooldowns seem to be gameplay mechanics judging from things like Cayde using back to back supers from different subclasses, Shin Malphur being able to manifest the Golden Gun as a normal weapon, etc.
 
Didn't yhwach ressurect from being erased at one point anyways though?
 
People are arguing that that wouldn't work since he does that through Almighty which wouldn't work on Ikora's actions.
 
I believe there is no calculation for the feat she scales from. AP is hardly a factor in this fight anyway.
 
This will probably ended up in a Yhwach stomp after the light novels upgrade. Ikora hasn't shown to affect someone on higher level than herself therefore saying her acasuality works on Yhwach's Almighty is wank. (Almighty was used by the Soul King to create our current t universe of matter by removing it from the spiritual matter. In a nutshell he split death and life in two different dimensions. Yhwach's goal was to put it all back together using Almighty + Soul King power he absorbed.)
 
Acausality isn't something that is "used", it's a state of being. And you can't just resist hax through higher stats when you haven't shown to be resist it. You can't resist acausality anyway because she's not affecting him with her own acausality. What are these light novel upgrades?
 
I'm still against saying yhwach can't revive himself because an acasual hurt him
 
Well to revive himself he has to manipulate fate and all his fates involve Ikora, who cannot be affected by his fate manipulation. I don't know much about Yhwach though so I may be misunderstanding how Almighty works.
 
WHYNAUT said:
Acausality isn't something that is "used", it's a state of being. And you can't just resist hax though higher stats when you haven't shown to be resist it. You can't resist acausality anyway because she's not affecting him with her own acausality. What are these light novel upgrades?
That's like saying Ikora can't hurt Yhwach because none of her abilities possess Reitasu and therefore he easily pins her down to the ground with gravity pressure. Ikora has to prove to be able to resist a higher being, not the other way around. Otherwise, Yhwach beats Superman by selecting a future where he obtained Kryptonite from LexCorp and instantly teleports Kryptonite to his hands to kill Superman.
 
WHYNAUT said:
Well to revive himself he has to manipulate fate and all his fates involve Ikora, who cannot be affected by his fate manipulation. I don't know much about Yhwach though so I may be misunderstanding how Almighty works.
Not all of his fates would include ikora and even if they did acasuality protects you from those powers it doesn't prevebt others from using them on themselves
 
WHYNAUT said:
Well to revive himself he has to manipulate fate and all his fates involve Ikora, who cannot be affected by his fate manipulation. I don't know much about Yhwach though so I may be misunderstanding how Almighty works.
Wouldn't futures where Ikora doesn't exist, exist in the first place? Picking up one where he is alive should do. Yhwach "died" in soul form and then "choose" a future to comeback. Even when he was killed again with all of his powers remove by an arrow created with his own powers, he was sealed away, and is still trying to get out as mass of energy made of soul matter. (He can recreate his body.)
 
Well what exactly is stopping Yhwach from doing that to Supes? Even if Yhwach can keep ressurecting himself, what would he do next?
 
WHYNAUT said:
Well what exactly is stopping Yhwach from doing that to Supes? Even if Yhwach can keep ressurecting himself, what would he do next?
Eh? A lot? If you didn't know The Author "Tite Kubo" did the following with Yhwach.

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WHYNAUT said:
I'm asking for details. Almighty won't work on Ikora so what is his next move?
Current Almighty won't work "on" Ikora, Almighty still works on everything else. It isn't just people that he can affect.

Resistance to Conceptual manipulation, paralysis, precog, fate manipulation, power null, probability manipulation, etc. (To long to list all.)

  • He can affect weapons, set traps, change the environment directly in a thought.
  • Can see all futures at once, change a specific "moment" from a future and bring that "event" to the present without any of the "events" leading to that "conclusion" happening.
  • All powers he see with Almighty in the future cannot kill him or harm him. They become allies.
  • Even when all of his powers are remove, negated, taken or halve Yhwach can return his powers to himself once more.
Moving on, Blut Vene Anhaben can shield himself from Ikora's attacks and if she tries to blow it up, Yhwach's blood will enter Ikora's body and consume and absorbed her being. Yhwach has two more ways of absorbing by touch and by placing a piece of his soul inside you and taking away your life force with a beam of light afterwards. It isn't made of fictional energy so it can't be absorb or block. (The tree of life failed.)

Yhwach can open portals and use his own shadow to teleport between his own dimension and others, so BFR.

Zanka No Tachi:

  • 10 trillion skeletons to fight for him. (Cannot summon all at once or at least was never shown to do. About 20-30 at once.)
  • Invisible Sun cloak up to 15 million degrees Celsius. (Legs are the only body part not surrounded by the fire.) + Sword.
  • Existence Erasure.
Soul Destruction Arrows. (Foes can't reincarnate, and are remove from the cycle of life and death.) Quincy can make fire hundreds upon thousands of arrows at the same time. (By creating bows, guns, machine guns, giant bows on the air or even using one finger to shoot them like Yhwach.)

  • Telekinesis & Telepathy.
  • Can revive allies.
  • Can create dozen of giant sand statues to fight for him.
  • Regenerationn. (Shot himself with his own Soul Destruction Arrows on his own heart and regenerated. Uryu also shot him with another arrow on his heart from the back to remove all of his powers, and the arrow didn't killed him even when all of his powers ceased to exist.)
  • Light & Darkness Manipulation.
  • Summoning back up through his shadow dimension.
  • Matter Manipulation
I'll update in a sec.

EDIT:

  • Biological Manipulation
  • Earth Manipulation
  • Information Analysis
  • Reactive Evolution and Power Mimicry with The Compulsory (Yhwach's nerves can invade the bodies of others to control their movements and forcibly compressing their bodies into compact balls or badly warp their bodies, if his nerves manages to completely invade his opponent's body, Yhwach can near instantly tear them to ribbons. Yhwach can also control inorganic objects such as the ground or buildings and evolve by absorbing information through his nerves and mimicking his target powers and abilities)
  • Regenerationn (Mid-Low), Healing, Poison Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Reactive Evolution with The Deathdealing (Yhwach can control over any and all 'Lethal Doses' within his range. He alters the dosage of any substance he ingests or tanks, manipulating the 'poison' and either granting himself complete immunity within a single minute or lowering an opponent's resistance to kill or incap them. Furthermore with Askin's Vollständig, Hasshein. Yhwach will automatically adapts to changes in "poison"; as long as the base of the poison remains the same, any surface layer changes will cause Yhwach's immunity to adjust in turn, rendering the poison ineffective)
  • Explosion Creation
  • Durability Negation and Transmutation with The Explode (His reishi turns whatever it comes in contact with into a bomb)
  • Fear Manipulation with The Fear (Yhwach can instill fear in others through his Heilig Pfeil. Furthermore with ├äs's Vollständig, Tatarforas. Yhwach only needs eye contact for his ability to work and he can create a dome with multiple eyes all around for a higher chance of success. In addition, one glance is enough to cause fear, closing one's eyes afterwards is no use, because fear has embedded within one's mind),
  • Fire Manipulation and Heat Manipulation with The Heat
  • Can greatly increases his durability with The Iron
  • Can fire off Reishi constructs to forcibly close gateways between dimensions and form Reishi cages to entrap his opponents with The Jail
  • Empathic Manipulation with The Love (Yhwach can launch a heart-shaped projectile and anyone hit by this heart will fall in love with him and they will obey every command he gives them)
  • Regenerationn (Low-Godly), Immortality (Type 3 and 8), Reactive Power Level and Limited Reality Warping with The Miracle (Yhwach can manifest the fears of the masses like fear of not being able to destroy his body into reality. His power works by turning any and all damage, lethal included, into size and power)
  • Reactive Power Level with The Overkill (Yhwach can gain might by killing someone, be it enemy, ally, or even beast)
  • Can force his opponents to question everything about themselves and their abilities with The Question
  • Sound Manipulation with The Roar, Air Generation, Statistics Amplification
  • Regenerationn (Mid-High) and Immortality (Type 3 and 8) with The Superstar (Yhwach can gain might from the cheers of a crowd)
  • Reality Warping (anything fantasy becomes reality, like summoning meteors, cloning himself up to six times with the exact same abilities and power, creating stuff, throwing people to space, making your bones into cookies.)
  • Elemental Manipulation
  • Death Manipulation
  • Stealth Mastery
  • Duplication
  • Power Bestowal (can bestow any power he wants to others and himself)
  • Spatial Manipulation with The Wind (Yhwach can physically bend away the space to avoid attacks from his opponents)
  • Durability Negation and Intangibility with The X-Axis (Yhwach can uniformly penetrate anything between his weapon and his target, ignoring obstacles and durability. Futhermore with The X-Axis True Power active, Yhwach is constantly in a state of intangibility, rendering him virtually untouchable even by Shinigami who can interact with spirits and intangible objects)
  • Power Mimicry and Shapeshifting with The Yourself (Yhwach can mimic not just the appearance of others but also their memories, knowledge, powers and equipment.
Yhwach King of Solo. You. Cannot. Simply. Overwhelmed. Yhwach.
 
That is indeed a long list, but what would be in-character for him? He can't precog Ikora and what abilities can bypass her low-godly? She doesn't regenerate from her soul, but from her Light.
 
Eh? A lot? If you didn't know The Author "Tite Kubo" did the following with Yhwach.
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Meh, It ca be worse.

Yhwach wins not because she is "unknown" , but because Yhwach has power null to power null from his foes. XD
 
Yhwach can just use the visionary to make a few clones of himself who all use it to make themselves stronger then use the yourself to turn into ikora

That would turn the fight into like 4 stronger ikoras and yhwach vs one ikora
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Wait, doesn't Yhwach res work by fate hax? I mean by changing future so that he doesn't die. If that's the case he'd have to change a future with a type 4 acausal in it. Yes it's "his" future, but since the type 4 acausal is also part of that future he'd have to change that too.
Type 4 Acausalty should negg res as well (in this case since it's still done through fate hax that does affect the type 4 acasual).
Gonna need a citation on this claim because this makes no sense, he targets himself for his ressurection which has nothing to do with herself if he were to die.

Ikora on the other hand has limited range for virtually everything in her arsenal compared to Yhwach so she'll have quite the difficulty ever hitting him since he doesn't mess around, no resistance to power null by just looking at her, she can't even see him lol.
 
Also what's the AP gap cause she's gonna have to deal with all of those powers while being reiatsu crushed by an invisible person
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Gonna need a citation on this claim because this makes no sense, he targets himself for his ressurection which has nothing to do with herself if he were to die.

Ikora on the other hand has limited range for virtually everything in her arsenal compared to Yhwach so she'll have quite the difficulty ever hitting him since he doesn't mess around, no resistance to power null by just looking at her, she can't even see him lol.
No, he doesn't target himself, i mean he does but he also targets her actions. You can't move yourself into a different future, if you have a being in another future there with you. It will cause a paradox. Since Ikora punched him and Ikora didn't punch him would be true at the same time. So only Yhwach changing futures doesn't work, he'd have to change Ikora's future too into one that she didn't hit him with for it to work and we all know he can't do that.

Yhwach can't power null Ikora due to type 4 acausality.
 
No yhwach targets himself only

In bleach every possibility exists at the same time and he just picks whichever one he wants, it has nothing to do with overwritting her actions
 
There is no calculation, but Ikora scales vastly above Taken that were going to make Io implode.
 
@Firephoenixearl

@Sigurd Snake in The Eye

Assuming she can even get close to kill him. He didn't needed to change the future where Orihime blocked his sword to change to a future where he cut Ichigo. The wound just appeared on his body while she was still blocking him. (Ikora is saved from this threatment, but won't negate Yhwach from using Almighty to make himself a new body like he has already done.

Yhwach's world (Bleach) doesn't have a single straight timeline. The future is ever changing, and he sees all of them unless you placed him under a illusion spell 60 chapters before he gained this ability.</div>
 
  • True he can set traps
  • Uhm...causality manip and precog....against acasual type 4......no.
  • Are you assuming he's gonna see any power in the future?
  • Not if she's the one who power nulls him because you know...her actions exist outside of his control
That's all i had to say about his powers. Just the first 4 ones @Applelord
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Gonna need a citation on this claim because this makes no sense, he targets himself for his ressurection which has nothing to do with herself if he were to die.

Ikora on the other hand has limited range for virtually everything in her arsenal compared to Yhwach so she'll have quite the difficulty ever hitting him since he doesn't mess around, no resistance to power null by just looking at her, she can't even see him lol.
No, he doesn't target himself, i mean he does but he also targets her actions. You can't move yourself into a different future, if you have a being in another future there with you. It will cause a paradox. Since Ikora punched him and Ikora didn't punch him would be true at the same time. So only Yhwach changing futures doesn't work, he'd have to change Ikora's future too into one that she didn't hit him with for it to work and we all know he can't do that.
Yhwach can't power null Ikora due to type 4 acausality.
"No, he doesn't target himself, i mean he does but he also targets her actions."

This is false, show me where it says that.

"Yhwach can't power null Ikora due to type 4 acausality."

His power-nullification isn't fate manipulation it's an aspect of the Almighty which has a shit-ton of abilities besides fate manipulation, so why would that stop it? she herself doesn't have resistance and power null isn't affected by that since it works from the current moment into the far flung future. So he just needs to physically look at her just like he did to Ichibe with his concept manipulation.

Now there is also several facts...

  • Ikora can't see Yhwach.
  • Ikora won't even touch him via his fate manipulation teleport.
  • He is non-corporeal.
  • The Ghost literally passively dies since they have weak durability.
 
So I don't know ikora's ap value but for the sake of the debate I'm just going to assume she doesn't die passively in yhwach's presence

That said what stops yhwach from cloning himself making himself stronger then making those stronger clones turn into ikora and making it a 4v1 with 3 ikoras and yhwach fighting one ikora
 
He imagines clones of himself and they exist

If you meant turning into ikora he just has himself or the clones use the yourself and they become ikora
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
"Yhwach can't power null Ikora due to type 4 acausality."

His power-nullification isn't fate manipulation it's an aspect of the Almighty which has a shit-ton of abilities besides fate manipulation, so why would that stop it? she herself doesn't have resistance and power null isn't affected by that since it works from the current moment into the far flung future. So he just needs to physically look at her.
N-no. His power null is basically "im immune to anything i see in the future". He "cannot" see her future. That's what im saying, for his power null to work it needs to see the abilities she uses in the future, which he can't.
 
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