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Yhwach Hax Downgrade (small)
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>made a timeline
Yeah imma need a scan for that one
Yeah imma need a scan for that one
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Tsukishima beat Aizen with Book of the End, for one. We see him beating Aizen instead of Ichigo in Origime and Chad's memories, and Tsukishima tangibly interacts with the past. Ichigo is the only one who didnt remember that because he had not been affected, thus it's an entire new timeline
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Wait wait wait. When in the hell did that happen?
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Is not a timeline but neither is the past. He doesn't change the past per say, Tsukishima insert himself into a person or object and changes the past of that target everything else remains unaffected. Orihime who reverts things to a point of time where they were healed, restore Ichigo's blade to that knew "timeline" that Tsukishima created in Ichigo.Paul Frank said:
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Wait so after Yhwach is defeated Ichigo gets another amp, is that what's being implied ?
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Ok so we now have at least a clue as to how strong Ichigo would have been if he was in the Novels or in the 10 year time skip
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that's why he wasn't present , otherwise he would have slapped everyone in seconds and called it a day
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Chapter 456.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Chad confirms that Tsukishima is who defeated Aizen, in Butterfly form.
Tsukishima himself confirms he inserted himself into their pasts
And as we have seen from Chapter 468, Tsukishima actually meaningfully interacts with whatever past he inserts himself into, such as learning all about Senbonzakura
So, it's indistinguishable from alternate timelines. And since he objectively does interact with that timeline and whatever he does in that timeline comes to fruition, whether it be training with Senbonzakura or setting a trap that didn't exist there before, that means that Tsukishima did, in fact, defeat Aizen in an alternate past that Orihime and Chad witnessed....all thanks to his Book of the End.
Super nifty ability when you analyze it, right?
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Something doesnt add up. Im pretty sure when Tsukishima says he's "inserting himself into their pasts", he's simply inserting himself into their memories of the past. Because if he's inserting himself into their pasts, that would mean he's time traveling into their pasts. Which doesnt make sense since he isn't physically doing so.
Is he projecting himself into their pasts when he stabs them with the Book of the End?
Is he projecting himself into their pasts when he stabs them with the Book of the End?
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Yes. The Book of The End isn't simply mind hax he's literally inserting himself into the past of others.
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In that case then IDK why Tsukishima is only scaling to Byakuya when he should be scaling to Aizen for defeating him in an alternate timeline.
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It's like him slipping a bookmark into a point in time in the past of their lives, where their life is a book.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
He literally just inserts it at a random page and can alter the contents of those pages via tangible interaction.
It's how he makes a tree grow in the path of a lightning bolt from Candice with a simple strike to the ground.
It's how he learns of Senbonzakura's secret weakness that not even Byakuya has told anyone about.
And it's how he, hilariously enough, bested Aizen.
It's why I will always fight for Book of the End being top 3 abilities in Bleach. The Almighty, The Visionary, and Book of the End.
Future, Present, and Past reality warping, essentially and respectively.
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Oh, I was replying to a previous post.
To anwser you, though, pretty sure is does dirty things to the scalling, for one.
To anwser you, though, pretty sure is does dirty things to the scalling, for one.
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Even though he would actually get destroyed if he went to fight Aizen and there was literally only Ichigo in that fight, if anything they just think Tsukishima helped when in reality Ichigo still did most of the work
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Yes but then you remember that the ground is Yukio's Fullbring, so if anything he could have made that in the past Yukio added traps to cheat
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Its not exactly "current". Tsukishima just went back into the past of the object he inflicted Book of the End on and in that past, set up early traps, which therefore go into the present to work for his benefit. Just as he did with Byakuya.AppleLord said:
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Its not exactly "current". Tsukishima just went back into the past of the object he inflicted Book of the End on and in that past, set up early traps, which therefore go into the present to work for his benefit. Just as he did with Byakuya.
The current timeline where he fought Byakuya wasn't affected by the alternative timeline he created for Chad and Orihime where he defeated Aizen and help them save Rukia. All I am saying is that he can make alternative ones exclusively and change the present one as well.
The current timeline where he fought Byakuya wasn't affected by the alternative timeline he created for Chad and Orihime where he defeated Aizen and help them save Rukia. All I am saying is that he can make alternative ones exclusively and change the present one as well.
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Sorry, had other stuff to do before getting back to this. Either way, we're getting too off topic about Tsukishima, anything scaling wise for him i'll take to another thread.
Getting back to this threads topic, I still disagree with Yhwach getting Type 1 Acasuality. Even if Tsukishima's ability made an alternate timeline for the restortion of Ichigo's Zangetsu, the fact at the end of the day still is that Tsukishima never tried using the Book of the End on Yhwach in the first place, so there's no definitive conclusion that Yhwach would remain unaffected by Tsukishima's past manipulation.
Getting back to this threads topic, I still disagree with Yhwach getting Type 1 Acasuality. Even if Tsukishima's ability made an alternate timeline for the restortion of Ichigo's Zangetsu, the fact at the end of the day still is that Tsukishima never tried using the Book of the End on Yhwach in the first place, so there's no definitive conclusion that Yhwach would remain unaffected by Tsukishima's past manipulation.
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What does Tsukishima dying have to do with this?
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In any case, if a better Acasuality is to be added (I still disagree but oh well), it should be taken to its own thread as this one is near 350 replies.
Back to the original point, we need to remove Acasuality Type 2 from Yhwach and Mimihagi and conclude this.
Back to the original point, we need to remove Acasuality Type 2 from Yhwach and Mimihagi and conclude this.
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We either remove acasulity from Yhwach, Mimihagi, and Rei-O or dicuss if another type of acasuality fits these characters. None should have type 2 because each one of this characters have a past which is still remmeber by everyone.
- Yhwach you already explained.
- Rei-O is remmebered by Ichibei.
- Mimihagi is a legend in Rukongai and Ukitake remembers his past when Mimihagi saved him.
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He obviously has a past. Past events happen and Yhwach is a participant in those past events . He obviously has a future. He alters it for his advantage constantly near the end of the series.
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Bumping as a favor
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No, discuss which type they're first. Then change it.
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Type 1: Time Paradox Immunity:Characters with this type of Acausality are rendered immune to changes in the past and standard temporal paradoxes, but remain just as vulnerable in the present and can be affected by normal Causality Manipulation and similar abilities.
Type 2: Temporal Singularity: Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, only the present. This means they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it, and Fate Manipulation, for the same reason. In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist.
Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.
(No other versions of the characters exist as bleach isn't a multiverse)
(Pretty sure nothing suggests this either)
I don't see how they fit any of those above
- Examples: The Doctor (Doctor Who), Goku Black with Time Ring (Dragon Ball), Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear)
Type 2: Temporal Singularity: Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, only the present. This means they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it, and Fate Manipulation, for the same reason. In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist.
- Examples: Composite Devilma and Sata (Devilma), Raziel (Legacy of Kain)
Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.
(No other versions of the characters exist as bleach isn't a multiverse)
- Examples: Lavos (Chrono), The Shrike (Hyperion Cantos), Solaris (Sonic the Hedgehog)
(Pretty sure nothing suggests this either)
- Examples: Riven of a Thousand Voices (Destiny), Lord Drakko (Power Rangers)
- Examples: Outer Gods (Cthulhu Mythos), Daedric Princes (The Elder Scrolls)
I don't see how they fit any of those above
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@Tata I dont think type 3 requires a multiverse, multiple versions across a single timeline should be enough
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Go ahead and remove it if nothing fits.
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