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Refer to the title. The only thing I am looking to remove is Yhwach's Acasuality Type 2 at the very least. After looking into it, and the power in general, Yhwach having this type of Acasuality is extremely inconsistent. I'll get into why thats the case in a minute, but first, let me explain my gripes with Acasuality Type 2 to begin with. It'll go right into why I think Yhwach at the very least shouldn't have this.
Acasuality Type 2
Now according to the Acasuality Page itself , Acasuality Type 2 is:
"Type 2: Temporal Singularity: Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, only the present. This means they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it, and Fate Manipulation, for the same reason. In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist."
To put this in more simple terms, in order to qualify for Acasuality Type 2, you have to be someone who doesnt exist in either the past or the future. You can only exist in the present. So far, this looks simple enough to understand.
However, there was something about this that I got very confused about. So before making this downgrade thread, I made another thread earlier questioning Acasuality Type 2 in general. And this is what I asked:
"Asking because theres something im very confused about.
Now according to the Acasuality page , Acasuality Type 2 means that you do not exist in either the past or future, only in the present. That much is simple to me. But there is something else that I don't understand.
Lets say that I was to gain Acasuality T2, meaning that I no longer exist in either the past or the future. I am only someone existing in the present. Would this mean that my past and future no longer exist since I dont exist in those points in time anymore? And if they dont exist, does that mean my past and my future were erased as a result? Or does my past and future still exist but just without me in it?"
After making it, I was given some feedback about my question. And the feedback was that, yes, if you become an Acasual Type 2 character, your past and your future are to be erased as a result since the past and future do not exist anymore because you no longer exist in those points in time. An example character that was pointed out of doing this to become Acasual Type 2 was Madoka , who was outright deleted from all of history in her verse once obtaining her Acasuality Type 2.
To go even further, I also got feedback in my thread that if your past &/or future is to still exist, or if someone from your past is to remember your existence after it's supposedly deleted for you no longer existing in the past, then it disqualifies you from being able to have Acasuality Type 2.
Now that thats been covered, lets get into why Yhwach doesnt have Acasuality Type 2.
Why Yhwach shouldnt have Acasuality Type 2
Now according to Yhwach's page, he has Acasuality Type 2 after being able to absorb Mimihagi into himself. However, looking into this, ive come across a number of inconsistencies and problems with Yhwach being an Acasual Type 2.
Zangetsu's Existence
And by Zangetsu, I mean Old man Zangetsu . The one who persona'd as Ichigo's fake zanpakuto.
When Zangetsu's identity was called out by Ōetsu Nimaiya at the end of Chapter 540 , when Ichigo is in the process of obtaining his true zanpakuto, Nimaiya flat out says to Ichigo that Zangetsu is the younger version of Yhwach from a 1000 years prior to the start of Bleach. And Old man Zangetsu backs this saying up in the very next chapter by telling Ichigo he is Juha Bach and at the same time isnt him. I'll show the scans right below:
At this point, it should be painfully obvious where im going with this. Zangetsu's entire existence as Ichigo's Quincy Powers, and being the 1000 year younger Yhwach, is explicit evidence of Yhwach having a past self. However, this is not where it ends as im only just beginnig to get into this. As mentioned in my Acasuality Type 2 thread, when a character gains this type of Acasuality, their entire past and future is erased as a result, leaving behind only their present selves because they no longer exist in the past and future. Just as its the case with Madoka for example. So here's the huge issue with this.....
If Yhwach really did have Acasuality Type 2, why does Zangetsu still exist as Ichigo's Quincy Powers? Zangetsu, as proven, is Yhwach's past self and despite being accepted as having Acasuality Type 2 for absorbing Mimihagi, Zangetsu (at this point at least) still very clearly remains in existence and is not paradoxed out of history, which would mean Yhwach's past still exists as part of history. For Yhwach to be an Acasual T2, both his future (ill get to this later as theres issues with this too) and his past need to be erased since he's no longer supposed to exist in both points in time. That as a result would mean Zangetsu cannot exist since he is Yhwach's past self, which would be erased as a result of Yhwach no longer existing in the past. But Zangetsu still exists for being the physical manefestation of Ichigo's Quincy Powers, otherwise as a result of Yhwach no longer having a past, Ichigo would no longer have Quincy Powers in the 1st place as they would be coming from Yhwach. Meaning he would not even have Zangetsu as his fake zanpakuto to begin with as Zangetsu would have never existed. But thats quite obviously not the case here.
To add more insult to injury here, there's another problem that goes right along with this:
Ichigo remembers Zangetsu; Everyone remembers Yhwach
As I also pointed out above, remembering someone whos past is supposed to be deleted upon becoming an Acasual Type 2 is also an anti-feat against them being Acasual Type 2 in the first place. Like for example, if I supposedly become an Acasual Type 2, yet my sister is able to remember me from the past we have both shared when growing up, then that means im not actually an Acasual Type 2 since my past still exists as it can be remembered from other people who were close with me.
Which goes right along with the first inconsistency here. Yhwach becoming an Acasual Type 2 would mean that his past and his future are to be deleted, only leaving him to exist in the present. That would mean that his past self, Zangetsu, would have to be deleted as well as Yhwach is no longer supposed to have an existing past. But not only does Zangetsu still exist in the past for being Ichigo's Quincy Powers (and source of power in general for more than half of the Bleach series), but Ichigo is also clearly still able to remember Zangetsu as his mentor and as his quincy powers. Even after Ichigo gains his True Zanpakuto, Zangetsu is still within existence as his quincy powers and Ichigo still knows who he is. So if Yhwach's past is to be deleted for being an Acasual Type 2, which would also erase Zangetsu from history, how is Ichigo able to clearly still remember him?
Ichigo remembering Zangetsu would not be the only inconsistency here. Because even after Yhwach goes on to absorb Mimihagi (the one who gives Yhwach Acasuality Type 2 to begin with), everyone who was ever involved with Yhwach in the final war arc of the Bleach series is able to remember him. Who he is, that he's the enemy, that he's the one who absorbed the soul king, etc. If Yhwach was to become an Acasual Type 2, then everyone who was ever involved with him would have lost every single shred of memories they have of him from the entire arc. The war wouldnt have even come to be if Yhwachs past was erased from existence. So because of these major inconsistencies and problems, Yhwach being an Acasual Type 2 is just.....very flawed to say the least.
The only one acception for an Acasual Type 2 to be remembered by someone, and still qualify for the power, is for the person who remembers them to be an Acasual Type 1. Why? Because someone who is an Acasual Type 1 is immune to any changes in the past completely, meaning even if an Acasual Type 2's past was to be erased for instance, because someone else has Acasuality Type 1, they would still be able to remember them even if the past is no longer in existence. So for example, if my sister had Acasuality Type 1, and my past becomes deleted for me becoming an Acasual Type 2, I would still qualify for the power because my sister remembers me. Not because my past still exists, but because she has a power that will let her remember me even if the past is deleted. Everyone goes home happy at that point...except for Yhwach. Because unless Ichigo and every single relevant individal in Bleach has Acasuality Type 1, them still being able to remember Yhwach and Zangetsu (Yhwach's past self) is a very big inconsistency against him having Acasuality Type 2.
And this is not even where it ends. Theres one more huge issue with this that I said I would explain later down the line. I'll get to that now.
The Almighty's entire existence
As the sub-title specifies, Yhwach's past remaining in existence for the various reasons listed is not the only thing that would contradict him having Acasuality Type 2. His future being in existence would also be a no against him having this power too. And yes, he does have a future and the Almighty's entire purpose is evidence of this.
Everyone already knows what the Almighty does, same song and dance as always. The Almighty allows Yhwach to peer into all possible futures and shape any future he prefers into reality to benefit himself in battle. So how does this prove Yhwach has an existing future? Well...the Almighty benefiting him, like at all, is what would prove Yhwach has a future. If Yhwach didnt exist in the future, how would he be able to be effected by the Almighty changing the future to benefit himself? As in letting the changed future effect him? He would have to exist in the future at all in order for that to happen. Not only that, but Yhwach wouldnt even be able to see himself in the future with the Almighty if he didnt even exist in the future at all.
There's a reason why Yhwach isnt resistant to Future Manipulation or anything of the sort since the Almighty can very clearly effect him, which explicitly proves Yhwach's existence is a part of and is bounded to the future.
Conclusion
Based on everything I presented and brought forth here, Yhwach should have his Acasuality Type 2 removed for being far too inconsistent to keep.
Acasuality Type 2
Now according to the Acasuality Page itself , Acasuality Type 2 is:
"Type 2: Temporal Singularity: Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, only the present. This means they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it, and Fate Manipulation, for the same reason. In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist."
To put this in more simple terms, in order to qualify for Acasuality Type 2, you have to be someone who doesnt exist in either the past or the future. You can only exist in the present. So far, this looks simple enough to understand.
However, there was something about this that I got very confused about. So before making this downgrade thread, I made another thread earlier questioning Acasuality Type 2 in general. And this is what I asked:
"Asking because theres something im very confused about.
Now according to the Acasuality page , Acasuality Type 2 means that you do not exist in either the past or future, only in the present. That much is simple to me. But there is something else that I don't understand.
Lets say that I was to gain Acasuality T2, meaning that I no longer exist in either the past or the future. I am only someone existing in the present. Would this mean that my past and future no longer exist since I dont exist in those points in time anymore? And if they dont exist, does that mean my past and my future were erased as a result? Or does my past and future still exist but just without me in it?"
After making it, I was given some feedback about my question. And the feedback was that, yes, if you become an Acasual Type 2 character, your past and your future are to be erased as a result since the past and future do not exist anymore because you no longer exist in those points in time. An example character that was pointed out of doing this to become Acasual Type 2 was Madoka , who was outright deleted from all of history in her verse once obtaining her Acasuality Type 2.
To go even further, I also got feedback in my thread that if your past &/or future is to still exist, or if someone from your past is to remember your existence after it's supposedly deleted for you no longer existing in the past, then it disqualifies you from being able to have Acasuality Type 2.
Now that thats been covered, lets get into why Yhwach doesnt have Acasuality Type 2.
Why Yhwach shouldnt have Acasuality Type 2
Now according to Yhwach's page, he has Acasuality Type 2 after being able to absorb Mimihagi into himself. However, looking into this, ive come across a number of inconsistencies and problems with Yhwach being an Acasual Type 2.
Zangetsu's Existence
And by Zangetsu, I mean Old man Zangetsu . The one who persona'd as Ichigo's fake zanpakuto.
When Zangetsu's identity was called out by Ōetsu Nimaiya at the end of Chapter 540 , when Ichigo is in the process of obtaining his true zanpakuto, Nimaiya flat out says to Ichigo that Zangetsu is the younger version of Yhwach from a 1000 years prior to the start of Bleach. And Old man Zangetsu backs this saying up in the very next chapter by telling Ichigo he is Juha Bach and at the same time isnt him. I'll show the scans right below:
At this point, it should be painfully obvious where im going with this. Zangetsu's entire existence as Ichigo's Quincy Powers, and being the 1000 year younger Yhwach, is explicit evidence of Yhwach having a past self. However, this is not where it ends as im only just beginnig to get into this. As mentioned in my Acasuality Type 2 thread, when a character gains this type of Acasuality, their entire past and future is erased as a result, leaving behind only their present selves because they no longer exist in the past and future. Just as its the case with Madoka for example. So here's the huge issue with this.....
If Yhwach really did have Acasuality Type 2, why does Zangetsu still exist as Ichigo's Quincy Powers? Zangetsu, as proven, is Yhwach's past self and despite being accepted as having Acasuality Type 2 for absorbing Mimihagi, Zangetsu (at this point at least) still very clearly remains in existence and is not paradoxed out of history, which would mean Yhwach's past still exists as part of history. For Yhwach to be an Acasual T2, both his future (ill get to this later as theres issues with this too) and his past need to be erased since he's no longer supposed to exist in both points in time. That as a result would mean Zangetsu cannot exist since he is Yhwach's past self, which would be erased as a result of Yhwach no longer existing in the past. But Zangetsu still exists for being the physical manefestation of Ichigo's Quincy Powers, otherwise as a result of Yhwach no longer having a past, Ichigo would no longer have Quincy Powers in the 1st place as they would be coming from Yhwach. Meaning he would not even have Zangetsu as his fake zanpakuto to begin with as Zangetsu would have never existed. But thats quite obviously not the case here.
To add more insult to injury here, there's another problem that goes right along with this:
Ichigo remembers Zangetsu; Everyone remembers Yhwach
As I also pointed out above, remembering someone whos past is supposed to be deleted upon becoming an Acasual Type 2 is also an anti-feat against them being Acasual Type 2 in the first place. Like for example, if I supposedly become an Acasual Type 2, yet my sister is able to remember me from the past we have both shared when growing up, then that means im not actually an Acasual Type 2 since my past still exists as it can be remembered from other people who were close with me.
Which goes right along with the first inconsistency here. Yhwach becoming an Acasual Type 2 would mean that his past and his future are to be deleted, only leaving him to exist in the present. That would mean that his past self, Zangetsu, would have to be deleted as well as Yhwach is no longer supposed to have an existing past. But not only does Zangetsu still exist in the past for being Ichigo's Quincy Powers (and source of power in general for more than half of the Bleach series), but Ichigo is also clearly still able to remember Zangetsu as his mentor and as his quincy powers. Even after Ichigo gains his True Zanpakuto, Zangetsu is still within existence as his quincy powers and Ichigo still knows who he is. So if Yhwach's past is to be deleted for being an Acasual Type 2, which would also erase Zangetsu from history, how is Ichigo able to clearly still remember him?
Ichigo remembering Zangetsu would not be the only inconsistency here. Because even after Yhwach goes on to absorb Mimihagi (the one who gives Yhwach Acasuality Type 2 to begin with), everyone who was ever involved with Yhwach in the final war arc of the Bleach series is able to remember him. Who he is, that he's the enemy, that he's the one who absorbed the soul king, etc. If Yhwach was to become an Acasual Type 2, then everyone who was ever involved with him would have lost every single shred of memories they have of him from the entire arc. The war wouldnt have even come to be if Yhwachs past was erased from existence. So because of these major inconsistencies and problems, Yhwach being an Acasual Type 2 is just.....very flawed to say the least.
The only one acception for an Acasual Type 2 to be remembered by someone, and still qualify for the power, is for the person who remembers them to be an Acasual Type 1. Why? Because someone who is an Acasual Type 1 is immune to any changes in the past completely, meaning even if an Acasual Type 2's past was to be erased for instance, because someone else has Acasuality Type 1, they would still be able to remember them even if the past is no longer in existence. So for example, if my sister had Acasuality Type 1, and my past becomes deleted for me becoming an Acasual Type 2, I would still qualify for the power because my sister remembers me. Not because my past still exists, but because she has a power that will let her remember me even if the past is deleted. Everyone goes home happy at that point...except for Yhwach. Because unless Ichigo and every single relevant individal in Bleach has Acasuality Type 1, them still being able to remember Yhwach and Zangetsu (Yhwach's past self) is a very big inconsistency against him having Acasuality Type 2.
And this is not even where it ends. Theres one more huge issue with this that I said I would explain later down the line. I'll get to that now.
The Almighty's entire existence
As the sub-title specifies, Yhwach's past remaining in existence for the various reasons listed is not the only thing that would contradict him having Acasuality Type 2. His future being in existence would also be a no against him having this power too. And yes, he does have a future and the Almighty's entire purpose is evidence of this.
Everyone already knows what the Almighty does, same song and dance as always. The Almighty allows Yhwach to peer into all possible futures and shape any future he prefers into reality to benefit himself in battle. So how does this prove Yhwach has an existing future? Well...the Almighty benefiting him, like at all, is what would prove Yhwach has a future. If Yhwach didnt exist in the future, how would he be able to be effected by the Almighty changing the future to benefit himself? As in letting the changed future effect him? He would have to exist in the future at all in order for that to happen. Not only that, but Yhwach wouldnt even be able to see himself in the future with the Almighty if he didnt even exist in the future at all.
There's a reason why Yhwach isnt resistant to Future Manipulation or anything of the sort since the Almighty can very clearly effect him, which explicitly proves Yhwach's existence is a part of and is bounded to the future.
Conclusion
Based on everything I presented and brought forth here, Yhwach should have his Acasuality Type 2 removed for being far too inconsistent to keep.
