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That's...still Type 4.
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Yet another Shinza Bansho CRT: Gods Physiology revision
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Yuri is making most sense as always.
- Gods Should have infinite speed and Nigh Omnipresent inside their territory.
- They will lose Acausality type 5 cuz they only proves for type 4 like @Planck69 above clarified
- Most Gods will lose their Large size cuz most of them are human size to begin with. Merc's law is like the only one with a snake bigger than the planet.
- They are still split on the Transduality thing, but personally I am very against using a bunch of summaries from untranslated novel that we can't apply context to. Even the people who are using said scans didn't read the novel fully. So I am going to take Yuri's side here again.
-Immortality stuff will also go since no one seems to take an issue with it removal
- Also the Omniscience thing is a load of crap so it should go. Hadou are not now all knowing, Hajun is a famous example and Marie didn't know about the future Hajun destroying her. Not to mention they weren't aware of Naraka's existence so they are not even scratching the surface of the world knowledge inside the territory or outside of it
EDIT: Had to add a bunch of stuff cuz I missed it on first reply.
- Gods Should have infinite speed and Nigh Omnipresent inside their territory.
- They will lose Acausality type 5 cuz they only proves for type 4 like @Planck69 above clarified
- Most Gods will lose their Large size cuz most of them are human size to begin with. Merc's law is like the only one with a snake bigger than the planet.
- They are still split on the Transduality thing, but personally I am very against using a bunch of summaries from untranslated novel that we can't apply context to. Even the people who are using said scans didn't read the novel fully. So I am going to take Yuri's side here again.
-Immortality stuff will also go since no one seems to take an issue with it removal
- Also the Omniscience thing is a load of crap so it should go. Hadou are not now all knowing, Hajun is a famous example and Marie didn't know about the future Hajun destroying her. Not to mention they weren't aware of Naraka's existence so they are not even scratching the surface of the world knowledge inside the territory or outside of it
EDIT: Had to add a bunch of stuff cuz I missed it on first reply.
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Infera actually gave some good stuff for possible Large Size with Hado Gods. Unless you meant Pseudo/Gudo by "most gods".
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You can if you think there's a need, although it seems that everything's pretty uncontroversial so far
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Hopefully it doesn't take a millennia before some staff that cares about the verse shows up like last big thread.
Wasn't most of his point about "presence" or are these the same thing? Magic Gods from Toaru can blow up the universe via their existence or moving an arm or a leg alone but they are still human sized.
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Well, perhaps I should avoid disturbing them then.
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This one was for Spiritual Aura, not Large Size. The scans for it are:
Gods are absolute avatars of the world
Mercurius's snakes encompassed universe
These feats
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First by planet I hope you meant multiverse?
"The great mandala that exists across the entire cosmos"
And no Gods are extension of their law, hence they are everywhere(the omnipresence and omniscience stuff)
If a God law encompasses creation thats their size, and also u are using the apoptosis of the god before emanation? to determine their size? When u meant human size?
The human sized gods are the pseudo-gods
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I have a bone to pick with the immortality stuff,
But ootake kills concept and erases anything or story from their beginning till the end, so I dont think what was happening was conventional death but simply erasure of their concept
I mean thats the entire thing machina hax is based on
Then we have the way ren was able to survive his punch by restarting another story at the moment of machina punch
So in the yakou vs ootake, what was happening by ootake fist was not conventional death but EE on conceptual level
This is one of the reason that you think they dont qualify for tier 5
But ootake kills concept and erases anything or story from their beginning till the end, so I dont think what was happening was conventional death but simply erasure of their concept
I mean thats the entire thing machina hax is based on
Then we have the way ren was able to survive his punch by restarting another story at the moment of machina punch
So in the yakou vs ootake, what was happening by ootake fist was not conventional death but EE on conceptual level
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Throne Gods are, the entire creation is their territory
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Erasing your concept of death is conceptual by default. Also the current proof would not give type 5 anyway.
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Gudou Gods also are.
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They aren't, as explained in the OP. It is mere Clairvoyance.
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I dont think they are, learn the difference between Godhead (current throne god) and hadou gods
I mean omnipresent.
My bad
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I meant omnipresent
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Can you clarify this, type 5 means u can only be killed by something similar to EE which is what was happening in that fight
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Type 5 means you can't be killed by death manipulation in itself, and Yakou was on the death side rather than the EE side like Ootake.
Even if you discard this fight, Gods lack proof for this type of Immortality is what I meant.
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Most of what Yuri and Infrea are saying makes sense so I agree with the changes.
Honestly I cant lie, I always found the Type 5 Acausality and Omniscience odd and had thought about making threads about them in the past so I definitely agree with those two changes.
I am curious tho why are the Gods speed Infinite? Missed that change.
Honestly I cant lie, I always found the Type 5 Acausality and Omniscience odd and had thought about making threads about them in the past so I definitely agree with those two changes.
I am curious tho why are the Gods speed Infinite? Missed that change.
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Oh okay
Longinauze
I am thinking immeasurable since they can move and fight in timeless spaces
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It was put to replace Irrelevant (and is also the most coherent imo) based on LLT ignoring distance, Mibu being able to attack even with infinite distance, Hado's law technically expanding that fast, and little stuff.
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It doesn't grant any speed at all.
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Moving in a timeless spaces doesn't give you immeasurable at all.
Anyway I think OP suggestion has been agreed to by everyone and can be applied
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Then cease, don't commented here if its not productive or useful at all
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Just thought about it; should Sensory truly be a Hado God thing? I mean, it's litteraly said to be a Throne function as far as I recall, and I don't remember a God using it without its help.
I also don't know why a specific instance of Mercurius talking to Shirou is considered a God thing, most of his things aren't.
I also don't know why a specific instance of Mercurius talking to Shirou is considered a God thing, most of his things aren't.
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Which of the scan?
Or any scan?
Well only gods who have reached the throne needed a sensor so far but yes I think its a throne thing, and the only two hadou that didnt take the throne Reinhard and ren, I can't remember them using sensors, but so far the ones that did are throne gods and the naraka, so yes I think it should be a throne thing,
Its should still be on throne god profiles tho
Oh you mean when he told him about "deja vu" its not a God thing its simple telepathy
Can you rephrase, the MLT I used did not allow me to get what you are saying totally
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So they get transduality which type and acausalty which type?
Cause the rest
The large size and omnipresent has been resolved.
背後に広がる大曼荼羅が、後光のごとく輝く阿頼耶識の卍となっ て、こいつこそが無限に存在する平行宇宙を掌握する者だと告げてい
ね。
This is a quote for hajun Size and other things the fact that they are the size of what their law covers or embrace(Marie)
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Mainly the ones about controlling the flow of their Taiji
I think we should make something like "can use the Throne" or "when Throne Gods". Better to move it as something for a later revision.
Yeah, it should be removed from the Gods physiology page.
Basically the proof sent by Infera are good, but only apply to Hegemony, who bend stuff of the universe to their will through their Hegemony characteristic. I think there's scans that may explain how it applies to laws in general.
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Type 4 Acausality.
Transduality seems to not really be solved, so Idk for now.
It's not about Hajun's size, more the fact that the Mandala is the proof of him being the one who govern over all universes. But the scenes brought earlier should be enough regarding size.
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