Yellow and Crazy (Spongebob Squarepants vs Bill Cipher)

[CBslayeR]

How does a Bill cipher incapacitation work? what is the range? and also he uses it in the 4-A form?

Its sleep hax and transmutation

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

and also he uses it in the 4-A form?

Yes. He still behaves normally no matter what size he is. Bill is also changing sizes a lot during weirdmaggedon and nothing else changes about how he acts in character

 

[Pugao_03]

Its sleep hax and transmutation

The second the sponge seems to resist, but what is the scope of sleep manipulation? and does Bill cipher need to be seeing SpongeBob to apply the skill?

 

[Pugao_03]

Yes. He still behaves normally no matter what size he is. Bill is also changing sizes a lot during weirdmaggedon and nothing else changes about how he acts in character

I understand, a doubt his weakness "Sometimes he does irrational things and is extremely cocky and arrogant" can get in the way during the fight? taking into account that he's going to be fighting a sea sponge

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I understand, a doubt his weakness "Sometimes he does irrational things and is extremely cocky and arrogant" can get in the way during the fight? taking into account that he's going to be fighting a sea sponge

Not with these ones. Bill's ho to move against people he has nothing to gain from is simply snapping and disposing them. He only acted otherwise towards the Pines family because he needed the information from Ford's mind, and that he wanted to get his revenge on the family in general

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The second the sponge seems to resist, but what is the scope of sleep manipulation?

Spongebob has an unconventional resistance toward transmutation, as he can resist it by simply reshaping himself back to normal after being turned to something else, but it won't happen here because Bill's transmutation also permanently knocks out the victims and leaves them unconscious

and does Bill cipher need to be seeing SpongeBob to apply the skill?

No. He simply snaps and it happens

 

[Pugao_03]

Not with these ones. Bill's ho to move against people he has nothing to gain from is simply snapping and disposing them. He only acted otherwise towards the Pines family because he needed the information from Ford's mind, and that he wanted to get his revenge on the family in general

But even in "Weirdmageddon" he seems to behave quite arrogantly against the people of Gravity Falls, in case I wonder if he would react like that when he learns that he is literally fighting a 2 inch tall sponge, and also taking into account the difference in size and the distance of the fight that according to the thread would be "all over the universe" could Bill see SpongeBob at first?

 

[Pugao_03]

Spongebob has an unconventional resistance toward transmutation, as he can resist it by simply reshaping himself back to normal after being turned to something else, but it won't happen here because Bill's transmutation also permanently knocks out the victims and leaves them unconscious

According to the profile, he resists because he became conscious after being transmuted and can go back to normal, transforming himself back.

 

[Pugao_03]

No. He simply snaps and it happens

So he can put an opponent to sleep that he knows exists but doesn't know who it would be? and neither where in the case
Because going through the profile he just saw mabel snapped her fingers and she fell asleep

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So he can put to sleep an opponent he knows exists but doesn't know who it would be?
Because going through the profile he just saw mabel snapped her fingers and she fell asleep

Yes. He can

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

According to the profile, he resists because he became conscious after being transmuted and can go back to normal, transforming himself back.

That transmutation didn't made him unconscious. He was literally still conscious in all the times he was transmutated, which allowed him to shape shift back to normal

But even in "Weirdmageddon" he seems to behave quite arrogantly against the people of Gravity Falls

He just turned them all into stone statues. Not really anything else that would affect the battle

, in case I wonder if he would react like that when he learns that he is literally fighting a 2 inch tall sponge, and also taking into account the difference in size and the distance of the fight that according to the thread would be "all over the universe" could Bill see SpongeBob at first?

Bill's snap doesn't need to travel, so traveling speed and range aren't an issue, especially since Bill's powers are spreaded around all the universe, as this key is literally what if Bill would succeeded to break the magical wall containing him inside Gravity Falls. Oh and Bill could affect creatures all arounf the nightmare realm when he was there, which contains infinite universes

 

[Pugao_03]

That transmutation didn't made him unconscious. He was literally still conscious in all the times he was transmutated, which allowed him to shape shift back to normal

The other times SpongeBob was not unconscious, he literally transformed himself into objects and etc, in his profile it is argued that he can remain conscious when being transmuted and can go back to normal with the shapeshifters, this was even one of the things mentioned by one User in the last update of the back so the sponge's resistance

He just turned them all into stone statues. Not really anything else that would affect the battle

But first he made a mess in town, changed a man's face, made Gideon who opposed him dance for fun and when everyone who could beat him by doing a ritual was in a place next to him Bill just made fun of the face of them instead of immediately ending them, so the question arises whether he could do the same when he noticed that his opponent would be a small sponge from the sea.

Bill's snap doesn't need to travel, so traveling speed and range aren't an issue, especially since Bill's powers are spreaded around all the universe, as this key is literally what if Bill would succeeded to break the magical wall containing him inside Gravity Falls. Oh and Bill could affect creatures all arounf the nightmare realm when he was there, which contains infinite universes

According to the profile, in this key he only has universal+ reach with some powers, even if he doesn't need to "travel" he needs to know if it can affect an opponent he doesn't know, can't see due to the size difference and doesn't even know where it is. begins the fight, due to the Op citing that the fight would be "all over the universe" .
But has he affected how these creatures? and with what skills?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The other times SpongeBob was not unconscious, he literally transformed himself into objects and etc, in his profile it is argued that he can remain conscious when being transmuted and can go back to normal with the shapeshifters, this was even one of the things mentioned by one User in the last update of the back so the sponge's resistance

So that would mean that Spongebob needed to be conscious to change back, which will not happen with Bill, as his transmutation is specifically noted to put people unconscious, so Spongebob will not be able to transform back

But first he made a mess in town, changed a man's face, made Gideon who opposed him dance for fun and when everyone who could beat him by doing a ritual was in a place next to him Bill just made fun of the face of them instead of immediately ending them, so the question arises whether he could do the same when he noticed that his opponent would be a small sponge from the sea.

That was before they decided to battle him, as soon as they begun to oppose him, Bill snaps at them. Same happens with Ford, and the people of the zodiac. With the latter, Bill also didn't do that because he still needed the pines alive to get Ford's information.
In every time Bill goes into a battle mode, he snaps at those he doesn't value, and SBA is going to put him in that state by default
Also again, Spongebob has nothing that can interest Bill, so he just snaps him like all the rest of the people that hold no value to Bill

According to the profile, in this key he only has universal+ reach with some powers, even if he doesn't need to "travel" he needs to know if it can affect an opponent he doesn't know, can't see due to the size difference and doesn't even know where it is. begins the fight, due to the Op citing that the fight would be "all over the universe" .
But has he affected how these creatures? and with what skills?

Bill can see everything, And he also have Clarivoyance that spans on a 2-A range
Bill also doesn't need to know anything. He just snaps, and since he got precognition, he can definitely see if Spongebob can resist his hax and will use something else instead

 

[Pugao_03]

So that would mean that Spongebob needed to be conscious to change back, which will not happen with Bill, as his transmutation is specifically noted to put people unconscious, so Spongebob will not be able to transform back

That was before they decided to battle him, as soon as they begun to oppose him, Bill snaps at them. Same happens with Ford, and the people of the zodiac. With the latter, Bill also didn't do that because he still needed the pines alive to get Ford's information.
In every time Bill goes into a battle mode, he snaps at those he doesn't value, and SBA is going to put him in that state by default
Also again, Spongebob has nothing that can interest Bill, so he just snaps him like all the rest of the people that hold no value to Bill

Bill can see everything, And he also have Clarivoyance that spans on a 2-A range
Bill also doesn't need to know anything. He just snaps, and since he got precognition, he can definitely see if Spongebob can resist his hax and will use something else instead

It actually means that it can remain conscious when being transmuted, just like the dragon ball Vegito after being transmuted by Super buu, this was even quoted in the verse review.
If Bill cipher transmutes as people he has no value in and according to you he will take the sponge seriously if he sees it, then would Bill turn SpongeBob into a statue? he did it with several extras from the series
For him to "see everything" and use clairvoyance he needs to activate it, as when Gideon said the same to go after stanford, it doesn'tseem to be something passive and the "see all" would only be with clairvoyance, but how a guy who can "see it all" got ripped off by Stan? Besides, until Bill uses clairvoyance to find the sponge and does something like transmute SpongeBob by snapping his fingers, can't the sponge just pull his string with EE and erase Bill? all he would need would be to pull the string, since he is already like 3-C
And he doesn't seem to use precognition all the time, as he was surprised before by people like maibel on the same link you sent where she shoots a pray in Cipher's eye.

 

[Pugao_03]

Furthermore, is "Snap" one of those Bill cipher abilities that have universal+ reach mentioned in the profile?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It actually means that it can remain conscious when being transmuted, just like the dragon ball Vegito after being transmuted by Super buu, this was even quoted in the verse review.
If Bill cipher transmutes as people he has no value in and according to you he will take the sponge seriously if he sees it, then would Bill turn SpongeBob into a statue? he did it with several extras from the series

Probably, but since he has precogition, if he forsees that it wouldn't work, then Bill will just not use transmutation against him

For him to "see everything" and use clairvoyance he needs to activate it, as when Gideon said the same to go after stanford, it doesn'tseem to be something passive and the "see all" would only be with clairvoyance,

First scene was because Bill thought who is he talking to, as he first thought it was Stanford (or Ford), before realizing he's talking about Stanley (or Stan). The second scene is basically Bill showing an example that he "knows a lot of things"
Actually, Bill was secretly watching everyone for many years even without needing to activate it, and he can view things from representation of himself, such as triangles. He was secretly watching everyone ever since Ford summoned him to Gravity Falls, which is why he knows things such as Gideon's name without meeting him before or actively looking for him, as he has no reason to do that

but how a guy who can "see it all" got ripped off by Stan?

Becuase Bill was too overconfident to notice Stan and Ford fooling him, as he basically dropped his guard since he thought he already won

Besides, until Bill uses clairvoyance to find the sponge and does something like transmute SpongeBob by snapping his fingers, can't the sponge just pull his string with EE and erase Bill? all he would need would be to pull the string, since he is already like 3-C

Bill doesn't need to see him to do that, and besides, I already explained why the Clairvoyance is passive

And he doesn't seem to use precognition all the time, as he was surprised before by people like maibel on the same link you sent where she shoots a pray in Cipher's eye.

Bill was literally caught off guard as he was talking to Mabel, so that wouldn't really count. However, Bill certainly doesn't need to activate it, as he never needed to activate it before, such as telling Ford to not die as he isn't 92 yet (and he wasn't activating something while doing that), and even as Bipper, he was about to tell Soos the exact date of his death. Bill also forsaw Dipper doing a very specific action shortly before it actually happened, and he didn't do anything to see it

 

[Pugao_03]

First scene was because Bill thought who is he talking to, as he first thought it was Stanford (or Ford), before realizing he's talking about Stanley (or Stan). The second scene is basically Bill showing an example that he "knows a lot of things"
Actually, Bill was secretly watching everyone for many years even without needing to activate it, and he can view things from representation of himself, such as triangles. He was secretly watching everyone ever since Ford summoned him to Gravity Falls, which is why he knows things such as Gideon's name without meeting him before or actively looking for him, as he has no reason to do that

Becuase Bill was too overconfident to notice Stan and Ford fooling him, as he basically dropped his guard since he thought he already won

Bill doesn't need to see him to do that, and besides, I already explained why the Clairvoyance is passive

Bill was literally caught off guard as he was talking to Mabel, so that wouldn't really count. However, Bill certainly doesn't need to activate it, as he never needed to activate it before, such as telling Ford to not die as he isn't 92 yet (and he wasn't activating something while doing that), and even as Bipper, he was about to tell Soos the exact date of his death. Bill also forsaw Dipper doing a very specific action shortly before it actually happened, and he didn't do anything to see it

So as in the profile his clairvoyance would be with statues and seeing everything through people summoning him (basically seeing everything the person who summoned him saw), it doesn't seem like something applicable to combat, besides if he was thinking that Gideon he was talking about someone else, even though he claims to "see it all" should be evidence that there are things he doesn't know or didn't see in the case.
And what guarantees that Bill won't be overconfident if he realized his opponent would be a sponge? besides if the ability is passive why did he decide to deactivate it the moment he entered stan's mind? besides while he was chasing Dipper and Maibel he didn't see Stan changing places with his brother, Bill has been surprised several times before during the series especially in the dream world, doesn't seem to be passive at all, besides not even be in the profile, if you wish you can make a CRT about it.
If he was taken by surprise, it simply means that his ability is not passive, it can be done without having to be active all the time and from what you described this pregognition extends to 90 years, if he were passive he could simply see that the Stan deceived him.
Alem doesn't look like he uses it in combat.

 

[Pugao_03]

Furthermore, is "Snap" one of those Bill cipher abilities that have universal+ reach mentioned in the profile?

And it remained to answer that.
Another thing, if I'm not mistaken Bill in this way if I'm not mistaken believed that no one could stop him after fleeing the gravity falls field, so the chances of him mocking the sponge seem to be quite likely even more with the fact that this same sponge is affronting your "infinite power"
Furthermore, the clairvoyance of universal reach is not even mentioned in the profile and so far they have not said anything about which powers it has such reach, because according to the page there are only "some"

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Alem doesn't look like he uses it in combat.

This isn't an activated ability, Bill literally doesn't need to do anything for his precognition, and even the videos on the profiles doesn't show him activating a special ability or something like he do for other powers of his

And it remained to answer that.
Another thing, if I'm not mistaken Bill in this way if I'm not mistaken believed that no one could stop him after fleeing the gravity falls field, so the chances of him mocking the sponge seem to be quite likely even more with the fact that this same sponge is affronting your "infinite power"

Bill won't consider Spongebob important enough to even talk to him. Especially in battle mode, where as soon as the people tried to fight him, they got snapped, and the same thing also happened to Ford and to Mabel too

So as in the profile his clairvoyance would be with statues and seeing everything through people summoning him (basically seeing everything the person who summoned him saw), it doesn't seem like something applicable to combat, besides if he was thinking that Gideon he was talking about someone else, even though he claims to "see it all" should be evidence that there are things he doesn't know or didn't see in the case.

Bill doesn't know anything, he said he knows "lots of things", and gets the information from secretly watching everyone for years

And what guarantees that Bill won't be overconfident if he realized his opponent would be a sponge? besides if the ability is passive why did he decide to deactivate it the moment he entered stan's mind?

1. Becuase Bill doesn't care. He literally turned all the humans to statues despite being merely humans. The only ones that got special treatments are the Pines (becuase he needed them to open the barrier) and Time Baby (who he personally despies and had a long history with him)

besides while he was chasing Dipper and Maibel he didn't see Stan changing places with his brother, Bill has been surprised several times before during the series especially in the dream world, doesn't seem to be passive at all, besides not even be in the profile, if you wish you can make a CRT about it.

Bill was blinded by rage here and wasn't thinking straight because of what Dipper and Mabel did

If he was taken by surprise, it simply means that his ability is not passive, it can be done without having to be active all the time and from what you described this pregognition extends to 90 years, if he were passive he could simply see that the Stan deceived him.
Alem doesn't look like he uses it in combat.

How exactly that can be done? Especially when Bill doesn't use a special ability to do that? Explain it

 

[Pugao_03]

This isn't an activated ability, Bill literally doesn't need to do anything for his precognition, and even the videos on the profiles doesn't show him activating a special ability or something like he do for other powers of his

Bill won't consider Spongebob important enough to even talk to him. Especially in battle mode, where as soon as the people tried to fight him, they got snapped, and the same thing also happened to Ford and to Mabel too

Bill doesn't know anything, he said he knows "lots of things", and gets the information from secretly watching everyone for years

1. Becuase Bill doesn't care. He literally turned all the humans to statues despite being merely humans. The only ones that got special treatments are the Pines (becuase he needed them to open the barrier) and Time Baby (who he personally despies and had a long history with him)

Bill was blinded by rage here and wasn't thinking straight because of what Dipper and Mabel did

How exactly that can be done? Especially when Bill doesn't use a special ability to do that? Explain it

In the same way that the Profile doesn't mention that his ability is passive, the only things I saw in the profile are basically him looking at the person and saying how he's going to die and etc. Apart from that the best thing would be him predicting what the Dipper would do looking at him after frightening the same, besides she does not prevent Bill from being surprised.
Bill simply needed information from Ford, plus these things happened before he reached his "infinite power" in which he wanted, if he could see a sea sponge trying to fight him, given Bill's personality and the fact that he already had coming out of the Gravity falls field he would just make fun of the sponge, doing things like changing his face etc.
Before I try to finish it off, as I sincerely doubt Cipher doesn't make fun of a 2-inch sponge trying to fight him, which in battle is basically light years in size.
wait, so does he get information in the form acquired in the profile then, through his statues and who did he make his agreements? I don't see how this will help you in combat, especially when the sponge has never been observed by a Bill statue
Even the northwest family? and gideon?
So it's not passive, not even the Wiki considers it so, being angry with someone doesn't make you lose your ability unless you have evidence that Bill's abilities are disabled for these reasons.
This ability by what was defined in the profiles he needs to look/see the person and in this case he can only see her future if Cipher wants to, unless he has ever seen the future without looking at someone, but anyway still has contradictions about being passive.

 

[Pugao_03]

However, if you want these skills to be passive, do a CRT, because not even the profile has this