Xeno Goku (Dragon Ball Heroes) Vs. Lucario (Pokémon 7)

[Errorsaness]

Does Goku have it as well?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

If the "real world" views the Dragon Ball Multiverses as fiction, they should be considered High 2-A.

Also, I'd like to bring up another point. Since Goku doesn't have Time Paradox Immunity, Lucario could just move back in time and oneshot Xeno Goku of the past.

 

[Errorsaness]

Then again Goku has higher hax so if he finds out about this he can just snach him and punch him into a faraway place. And then seal him.

 

[PaChi2]

Also, I'd like to bring up another point. Since Goku doesn't have Time Paradox Immunity, Lucario could just move back in time and oneshot Xeno Goku of the past.

Lol at lucario paradoxing people.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

That's not how that works, though. First of all, "snatching him and punching him" is just the fastest way for him to get oneshotted, and again, we've already went over that if the sealing is Mafuba, it would be too slow to work, and if the sealing is something else, then someone should, you know, show what it is.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Yes, Pachi, I know he doesn't just, y'know, do that. ^•|| I'm just saying he can.

 

[NeoZex6399]

What?! Lucario has Time Travel?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Lucario has Immeasurable speed.

 

[Royalty1702]

Should I restrict his Immeasurable speed?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You cant really...restrict speed

 

[Schnee_One]

I assume he means Equalize

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

^ This. That's like restricting Lucario's strength to being lower on the 2-B scale because he oneshots.

 

[HST_Master]

But isn't speed equalized already?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Equalising speed doesn't negate the innate abilities gained from speed like Time Travel and Time Paradox Immunity and Resistance to Time Manipulation.

 

[Akreious]

.. What? Speed Equalized means their speed is equal. Nothing about what you just said makes sense.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Lucario has Immeasurable speed. This means he resists Time Manipulation, cannot be Time Paradox'd, and can Time Travel with speed alone. Equalising speed does not take away those abilities.

 

[Akreious]

... No. If speed is equalized, Lucario's Immeasurable speed either becomes MFTL or Goku becomes Immeasurable. If those aspects and abilities are apart of the speed, speed equalized would either take it away or grant goku the same level of speed. You... obviously don't grasp the concept of speed equalized.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

No, that's not how that works. That just means they move at the same speed.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Infinite speed or higher gives you resistance to time hax, because it allows you to move indefinitely while time literally stands still, even when speed is equalized, that resistance stays.

 

[Akreious]

"No, that's not how that works. That just means they move at the same speed."

"This means he resists Time Manipulation, cannot be Time Paradox'd, and can Time Travel with speed alone."

If they move at the same speed, then Goku would either be able to do those feats above because THEY MOVE AT THE SAME SPEED, or Lucario is downgraded to MFTL+.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The time resistance stays even when equalized. All equalized speed really does is prevent speed blitzes, tbh.

 

[Schnee_One]

Speed Equalization makes it to the slowest one.

 

[Joseph619]

Immeasurable doesn't give you time paradox immunity, the only time related resistance you gain from infinite+ speed is Time Stop

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

If you're able to move throughout any period of time, how doesn't it give you Time Paradox Immunity?

Eh, well, either way, Lucario can still Time Travel and Resist Time Manipulation.

 

[Schnee_One]

How does moving through time mean you can survive not existing in the past?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I'm not sure about Time Travel and TPI, but Immeasurable speed is literaly "movement beyond linear time", of course it resists time hax.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I know for sure you can Time Travel with Immeasurable speed.

 

[Sceptilespy]

Doesn't speed equalized make it to the lowest one? That makes Lucario MFTL+.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

He still retains his innate abilities.

 

[Akreious]

Abilities relating to a speed which is equalized so therefore doesn't exist =/= Innate

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

That's not how that works, though. :/

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Equalized speed doesn't take away speed related powers, it never did, and it never will, or else speedsters would be fodders.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Lucario does not have Time Travel nor TPI unless he has shown this abilities. Equalizing speed does not take away (nor gives Goku) Lucario's resistance to Time due to being inmeasurable. Just have to look at any thread with the Creation Trio. And finally:

Lucario is at six votes (Hadou, Cal, Paulo, DMUA, Lotus and me)

Goku is at five (Zenkai, Lapitus, Glass, Blutrekking [I assume] and Akreious)

I came just to say that. If missed anyone, pls tell.

 

[HST_Master]

Equalized speed doesn't take away speed related powers, it never did, and it never will, or else speedsters would be fodders.

There's a difference between having these abilites in verse and gaining it here because of your speed tier

For Example:

Sonic can vibrate through things by using his speed, so even if speed is equal he keeps those abilities

However Knuckles, another person in the same speed tier would not retain his speed abilites if he's equalized because they are gained by his speed tier, not actual abilities he has

 

[HST_Master]

Not voting btw just pointing that out, I don't plan to vote on too many Son Goku: Xeno threads until later, much rather make them

 

[Errorsaness]

Xeno Goku: He has da power to one punch his multiverse away if he wants to and no one knows how far Lucardio is in 2B

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

We do know how far Lucario is. I have already explained how he is far stronger than Goku.

 

[Chartate101]

@errorsaness please stop spamming. You're putting multple comments in a row and it's very annoying.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

XD That was like a week ago. This probably should be closed, it's a stomp.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I don't believe is a stomp. Besides, Goku has enough votes to declare this inconclusive.