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(WR3M2) 8-B Shooters Tournament: Solid Snake VS The Smith Syndicate

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6 shooters remained. They could taste the feeling of escape by now, but they should really be thinking less of friendship and more of survival for themselves, because they are going to die anyways.

As the third winner’s round starts, the clone of Big Boss and slayer of the White Witch and the Ultimate Soldier, Solid Snake (nominated by @Popted2), fights the elite group of assassins and slayers of the firey haired kid with a turbo-charged backpack who is used as a lab rat and the Liar, the Smith Syndicate (nominated by @Armorchompy) in the battle between justice VS crime!

Rules stated in the tournament hub.

Who wins?

Solid Snake:

The Smith Syndicate:

Inconclusive: 7 (Popted2, Noneless21, XSOULOFCINDERX, FantaRin The First, JustANormalLemon, Armorchompy, Psychomaster35)
 
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nah **** that nobody cares, the real discussion is who is the ateurest of game ateurs, hideo kojima or suda51
 
okay so, both Snake and Smith Syndicate are super skilled, i think Snake might possibly be slightly more skilled, but the real question is who has the best chances of winning?
Armorchompy said:
yeah so like, go do that
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Armorchompy as a supporter of both series can you describe their skill chains?
Armorchompy said:
nah **** that nobody cares, the real discussion is who is the ateurest of game ateurs, hideo kojima or suda51
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for me its Hideo, tough the only thing that i know about Suda is only No More Heroes, so i guess its really brilliant too
 
I couldn't really tell you who's more skilled at the drop of a hat, but before getting into that I'd like to address a couple of things that Snake can't do in this match, namely stealth is kinda useless here I think, the Smiths have precog that triggers when they're about to get attacked, enhances senses that I think are way better than what Snake's dealt with (they can hear flowers growing, however the **** that works, also Con has daredevil-like hearing), will probably get bloodlust-sensing ESP in a future CRT i make (feel free to discount this eh, since it's still not on the profiles), and can see through invisibility, so that's outta the question.
 
Smiths upscale a lot from baseline so probably a little lower but not too important
 
Ok so hear me out
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Popted2 said:
isn't Snake resistant to precog?
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Oh wait maybe? I forget if we treated that as just hyperbole from Mantis or something legit given psychics actually do have precog in MGS (Ursula for example literally tells Big Boss about Solid Snake and Liquid like 40 years before).
 
Weird, I thought it was agreed to be a possibly. Either way the Smiths' precog is probably instinct-based so I don't really think there's overlap here
 
okay since this is getting slow, guess i vote Snake, skill is good for both of them and SMith has a lot of powers, but Snake has good arsenal and his weapons will do GREAT damage to Smith thanks to the huge ap difference
 
Adem_Warlock69 said:
I mean they both have piercing weaponry so I don’t think Snake’s AP is really gonna matter
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except that Snake will do even more damage thanks to the huge ap advantage,

but i'll let Chariot and Armorchompy to say the last thing
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Armorchompy said:
I couldn't really tell you who's more skilled at the drop of a hat, but before getting into that I'd like to address a couple of things that Snake can't do in this match, namely stealth is kinda useless here I think, the Smiths have precog that triggers when they're about to get attacked, enhances senses that I think are way better than what Snake's dealt with (they can hear flowers growing, however the **** that works, also Con has daredevil-like hearing), will probably get bloodlust-sensing ESP in a future CRT i make (feel free to discount this eh, since it's still not on the profiles), and can see through invisibility, so that's outta the question.
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guys do you wanna vote or give more input?
 
Popted2 said:
except that Snake will do even more damage thanks to the huge ap advantage,
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Not really, in fact the Smiths have a particular property where sometimes bullets they land on a live enemy just completely deconstruct their hit limb (or head)
 
To a degree but he'd have to change into it, presumably he'll start with a more stealth-suited one.
 
Because that's what he usually wears? Metal Gear is "Tactical Espionage Action", not "Tactical Shoot People Action"
 
I really don't see why he should be given that benefit, even if he has access to all his equipment, doesn't mean he has prescient information on what to start with.
 
Cool, sucks to be him, that's their default abilities, no advantages was given to them
 
Armorchompy said:
Cool, sucks to be him, that's their default abilities, no advantages was given to them
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They don't need advantages

And is literaly a change of costume sinse It can't stelth

After all is almost like putting a fish to fight a duck, but the battle is outside water, at least let the fish walk
 
JustANormalLemon said:
They don't need advantages

And is literaly a change of costume sinse It can't stelth

After all is almost like putting a fish to fight a duck, but the battle is outside water, at least let the fish walk
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????? Snake has a perfectly fair shot here mate, I don't even know if the Smiths win
 
What can Snake really do here tho? His stealth is useless and he's fighting 7 dudes with varying powersets and comparable skill
 
Adem_Warlock69 said:
What can Snake really do here tho? His stealth is useless and he's fighting 7 dudes with varying powersets and comparable skill
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Well Snake does have some wacky things like grenades that induce mental states of various degrees, including one that forces those effected to attack allies lethaly, before they lose consciousness, but idk 7 is a lot of dudes, like Snake could absolutely throttle 7 dudes, but these dudes even by themselves ain't exactly aint fodder.
 
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Am commenting to follow this thread. But if you ask me, this... feels like either an incon FRA since it is near-impossible for me to figure out the outcome of this match as Snake and the Smiths have too many advantages that can screw over one or another. Or a Smiths FRA. Am personally leaning towards the former, but hold off in counting my vote for now. There might be an argument that can fix this deadlock.
 
It's not seven dudes at once btw, it's seven dudes in a row, only one can appear at a time, though they can freely transform into each other unless one is killed. That does mean the grenades that make them fight their friends won't be as useful tho
 
Meh, the Smiths upscale from people with comparable or arguably better feats, even if they don't inherit that I don't think it changes anything
 
Would Snakes CQC give him any advantage here or would this largely be a gun fight? I'm not familiar with the Smith syndicate
 
Typically they'd prefer long range combat with the possible exception of MASK who uses pro wrestling and relatively low range grenade launchers in combat. They're all fully capable of close range gunplay and melee counters but that's not their area of expertise.
 
I dunno, do we wanna have a debate about skill or like, just vote I guess? Again I can't really tell who's better at the drop of a hat but I would assume them to be roughly comparable, I think Snake edges out any one of them in versatility but obviously there are seven in a row of them and they counter most of his main gimmicks fairly well so... idk, draw your own conclusions.
 
I could probably make an argument for the Smiths, but it's close either way. Incon FRA
 
Seems like I also vote inconclusive FRA.

And here is our second inconclusive match, which means we play heads or tails (Heads=Snake, Tails=Smith Syndicate). Your winner is...
 
(Looks like I’m going to have to fight a champion now...)

As for Smith Syndicate, normally they would’ve dropped straight down, but then they’d be rematching Johnny Test. Since they already fought him and I don’t want any rematches to happen, Smith Syndicate will instead fight Mukuro, while Quincy fights Johnny.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
(Looks like I’m going to have to fight a champion now...)

As for Smith Syndicate, normally they would’ve dropped straight down, but then they’d be rematching Johnny Test. Since they already fought him and I don’t want any rematches to happen, Smith Syndicate will instead fight Mukuro, while Quincy fights Johnny.
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Quincy vs jhonny Will be interesting
 
So I get automatically eliminated?

I guess it's my fault for not participating in their matchup, even though I was busy with school.
 
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