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World of Warcraft Discussion Thread: For suffering!

He'd still be 6-A+

But he did nothing when Garrosh grabbed him by the jugular or when Mannoroth was slain by Grom. Isn't that a bigger feat of disloyalty to not strike back at that time?

And how strong is a fel reaver?
Listen to yourself. There is a HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS times difference between baseline High 6-A to baseline 5-B. You will be allowed to downscale a character THAT MUCH when I up and die

Uh, no? He's not required to do anything for Mannoroth unless ordered or about Garrosh. The Legion is overconfident like that.

7-A to my knowledge, though one did overwhelm Maiev's Watchers
 
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Listen to yourself. There is a HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS times difference between baseline High 6-A to baseline 5-B. You will be allowed to downscale a character THAT MUCH when I up and die
Then just downscale to Low 5-B when I said "He'd still be 6-A+" I meant as in that's his absolute minimum
Uh, no? He's not required to do anything for Mannoroth unless ordered or about Garrosh. The Legion is overconfident like that.
Judging by the amount of times they let Illidan off the hook and Archimonde's dialogue after destroying both orc and human bases in mount Hyjal. You're probably right on.
7-A to my knowledge, though one did overwhelm Maiev's Watchers
So canon fodder?
 
Then just downscale to Low 5-B when I said "He'd still be 6-A+" I meant as in that's his absolute minimum

Judging by the amount of times they let Illidan off the hook and Archimonde's dialogue after destroying both orc and human bases in mount Hyjal. You're probably right on.

So canon fodder?
That's just the thing though, Archimonde and Kil'jaeden aren't baseline 5-B so I physically can't lmfao

Indeed.

For the most part, morso shocktroopers like most Pit Lords are more then anything
 
How in the **** would Maiev be allowed anywhere near any Night Elf place if she committed high treason. and Tyrande even knew where she went!
Okay so to back that up this is the same Tyrande that was fully willing to cut the heads on the undead Night elves even over a year after the events at darkshore warfront or even post stadowlands timeskip she just ignored Thalyssra's wedding invitation. She is not a forgiving person.
 
Okay so to back that up this is the same Tyrande that was fully willing to cut the heads on the undead Night elves even over a year after the events at darkshore warfront or even post stadowlands timeskip she just ignored Thalyssra's wedding invitation. She is not a forgiving person.
Except for that time Sylvanas was fine because Blizzard writers were horny for undead Elf ****.

If it wasn't obvious I HATE BFA and Shadow Sylvanas

I don't even mind and actually like Nathanos, if General Nazgrim can be loyal to his warchief and Racial leader to a fault why can't Nathanos lmfao
 
Except for that time Sylvanas was fine because Blizzard writers were horny for undead Elf ****.

If it wasn't obvious I HATE BFA and Shadow Sylvanas

I don't even mind and actually like Nathanos, if General Nazgrim can be loyal to his warchief and Racial leader to a fault why can't Nathanos lmfao
Well the lead writer did effectively turned Nathanos into a self insert character so he could date her. like i get the fact Nathanos would be blindly follow her.

And honestly Sylvanas' character has been shot since Cata were she started forcing the dead to become forsaken.
 
Well the lead writer did effectively turned Nathanos into a self insert character so he could date her. like i get the fact Nathanos would be blindly follow her.

And honestly Sylvanas' character has been shot since Cata were she started forcing the dead to become forsaken.
Blatant lie, are Jaina, Genn, and Varian also self-insert characters to just name a few he's done tweets with?
 
Blatant lie, are Jaina, Genn, and Varian also self-insert characters to just name a few he's done tweets with?
How is it a lie? He openly stated the 7.3 legion look for him was looking into a dark mirror version. the dude has been actively obsessed with with those 2 characters from a long ass time and even roleplayed as Nathanos on his own damn twitter page. and shocking no one Nathanos only started becoming a mainstay character that showed up all the time after steve danuser started getting control over the lore. and even the characters' romantic relationship did not really show up until dark mirror a book he wrote, and world of warcraft sylvanas a book made while he was the lead lore dev calling the shots.
 
How is it a lie? He openly stated the 7.3 legion look for him was looking into a dark mirror version. the dude has been actively obsessed with with those 2 characters from a long ass time and even roleplayed as Nathanos on his own damn twitter page. and shocking no one Nathanos only started becoming a mainstay character that showed up all the time after steve danuser started getting control over the lore. and even the characters' romantic relationship did not really show up until dark mirror a book he wrote, and world of warcraft sylvanas a book made while he was the lead lore dev calling the shots.
Nathanos' body is that of his brother in Legion. That's the meaning of Dark Mirror.

He also roleplayed Jaina, Genn, Varian, etc, like I said, are those self-inserts too?

And Nathanos' romance is nonexistent, he directly denies any romance in Dark Mirror and he only has one even remotely romantic with Sylvanas ever.
 
Are the alternate orcs stronger than the main ones?
Some are, some just don't do shit and as such are comparable, one is weaker.

Stronger: Blackhand, Grommash, Gul'dan, possibly Ner'zhul

Lacks feats: Kilrogg, Kargath, Durotan(mostly cause he doesn't do much fighting in our timeline either), likely Ner'zhul

Weaker: Orgrim
 
Some are, some just don't do shit and as such are comparable, one is weaker.

Stronger: Blackhand, Grommash, Gul'dan, possibly Ner'zhul

Lacks feats: Kilrogg, Kargath, Durotan(mostly cause he doesn't do much fighting in our timeline either), likely Ner'zhul

Weaker: Orgrim
Didn't main Gul'dan fought Sargares' avatar back in the broken isles when in search for the eye? Albeit he was on the verge of death after.
 


(12:46) he even refers to that menacing figure behind the blue fires as Sargares

He asked if that was Sargeras, not that it actually was him.

Also the avatar was only reanimated in Legion where it was destroyed fo4 good by adventurers, so whatever that was, it definitely wasn't the avatar
 
The real pain is the *** is where the heck is the calc that granted Gul'dan and Illidan class T LS!
Death Battle calced Gul'dan and 7 other warlocks raising the Tomb of Sargeras and the island that surrounds it, we just divided that Calc by 8 for them
 
I didn't complain when it was done, and TBH i give no *****, get it calced and eval'd here if you really want
Can't really calculate it without knowing the method.

Anyways, despite Malfurion having an inconsistent foundation of which tier he would be. He'd still have 5-B AP via prep and Horn of Cenarius
 
Can't really calculate it without knowing the method.

Anyways, despite Malfurion having an inconsistent foundation of which tier he would be. He'd still have 5-B AP via prep and Horn of Cenarius
Magic. Pull it up.

He'd also have at most 5-B while bloodlusted for doing minor shit to Archimonde
Shouldn't Grom have 3 keys?
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As in which formula was used? Mgh? MA? or just calculating the mass the islands?

And...you said Thrall's minor damage was an outlier but not his?

Pre-Blood of Mannoroth | Post-Blood of Mannoroth | Empowered
Pretty sure it's calcing mass and then the LS and force needed to bring them up

BLOODLUSTED MALFURION. IE the one you never see and as such scales to nobody except for maybe Sylvanas.

Why the **** would we have a key for a Grommash we never see do fighting?
 
Pretty sure it's calcing mass and then the LS and force needed to bring them up
With an unknown time frame.
BLOODLUSTED MALFURION. IE the one you never see and as such scales to nobody except for maybe Sylvanas.
I see. Does Cenarius and Ysera upscale his bloodlusted self?
Why the **** would we have a key for a Grommash we never see do fighting?
What? Isn't that the same Grom who massacred the ogre armies?
 
With an unknown time frame.

I see. Does Cenarius and Ysera upscale his bloodlusted self?

What? Isn't that the same Grom who massacred the ogre armies?
Actually, since Orgrim's folks were hard on their asses, it is pretty easy to get a timeframe for yourself.

Nope! Though Ysera in future might have some 5-B in her tiering

Ogres. Low-tier. Not mentioning the fact that Lords or War Part 2 is questionable canon to our Grommash since Garrosh's mother died at the end and Grom left them(And the unborn garrosh) to die
 
Actually, since Orgrim's folks were hard on their asses, it is pretty easy to get a timeframe for yourself.
Come again?
Nope! Though Ysera in future might have some 5-B in her tiering
How about the emerald nightmare thingy
Ogres. Low-tier. Not mentioning the fact that Lords or War Part 2 is questionable canon to our Grommash since Garrosh's mother died at the end and Grom left them(And the unborn garrosh) to die
Then just put him at whatever tier the ogres were.
 
Come again?

How about the emerald nightmare thingy

Then just put him at whatever tier the ogres were.
Orgrim sent a lot of Forces to chase Gul'dan and his clan down, Gul'dan and his 7 other Warlocks including Cho'gall managed to get the Tomb and the island up and enter before Orgrim's forces even arrived.

Which time?

Fodder Ogres are 9-A or lower. And still, the feat is questionably canon. I'm not putting an entire ******* key on a page which only has a questionably canon feat
 
Orgrim sent a lot of Forces to chase Gul'dan and his clan down, Gul'dan and his 7 other Warlocks including Cho'gall managed to get the Tomb and the island up and enter before Orgrim's forces even arrived.
A few seconds then.
Which time?
What do you mean which time?
Fodder Ogres are 9-A or lower. And still, the feat is questionably canon. I'm not putting an entire ******* key on a page which only has a questionably canon feat
Is warbringer that questionable?
 
A few seconds then.

What do you mean which time?

Is warbringer that questionable?
I mean sure, I'd recommend grabbing the Chronicles volume and the WC2 novel and reading up on the timeframe first though

Malfy has been trapped in the Emerald Dream like 3 times at this point

The Lords of War video is for our timeline Grommash yes
 
Is it accessible online?

The time where the rift of Aln was wide open.

Eh...9-A is probably for the best.
Maybe, you'd have to read on the wiki exactly which WC2 book you need to get though

So the last time, eh... Malfy didn't actually do much there ironically outside of get captured and open paths

Still not putting a questionably there key mate
 
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