Why does moving through time stop grant a resistance and not infinite speed?

[Vietthai96]

Like i said before, it is depend on how we treat the ability, because the ability is treated as time stop, thus Goku have resistance to it, if it is treated as time skip, which Hit literally skip to the future, then Goku intercepted him in the middle of timeskip is Immeasurable speed, due to him using sheer speed to intercepted someone who in the process of skipping through time, to the future.
But anyway this matter is for another time

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Nope, even if Goku's inmesurable speed feat was legit, that wouldn't explain why Whis lasts 30 min to reach Earth, inmesurable speed should be instant.

 

[Vietthai96]

Nope, even if Goku's inmesurable speed feat was legit, that wouldn't explain why Whis lasts 30 min to reach Earth, inmesurable speed should be instant.

talk that to all people who have immeasurable speed lol, but anyway that is for another time

 

[Jibz]

Dont characters superior to the likes of Hit and Goku, take a finite amount of time to travel a finite distance?

 

[Vietthai96]

Dont characters superior to the likes of Hit and Goku, take a finite amount of time to travel a finite distance?

like, every character with immeasurable speed did that, stop using there kind of thing lol

 

[Jibz]

like, every character with immeasurable speed did that, stop using there kind of thing lol

So imeasurable speed characters being slower than characters who are mftl+ speed doesn’t negate the fact they’re immeasurable?

 

[Vietthai96]

So imeasurable speed characters being slower than characters who are mftl+ speed doesn’t negate the fact they’re immeasurable?

like lol, talk that to all people who have immeasurable speed but somehow don't travel back to the past to solve their problem, or have infinite speed but take more than zero second to solve some trivial problem

Edit: or easier, MFTL+ character take several hours to move around the city or country

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Bro, you can't twist it, Whis lasts like 30 mins to reach Earth, an inmesurable character would be there in a instant.

That's how it is....

 

[Vietthai96]

Bro, you can't twist it, Whis lasts like 30 mins to reach Earth, an inmesurable character would be there in a instant.

That's how it is....

I don't talk about Immeasurable speed DBS, I talk about Immeasurable speed as a whole, this is not a revision, just some Q&A thread. what i want to say is, don't using the logic that somehow immeasurable speed character doesn't demonstrate the speed in trivial matter, daily work to debunk the speed rating because it is bad as ****

 

[KingEzran]

Like i said before, it is depend on how we treat the ability, because the ability is treated as time stop, thus Goku have resistance to it, if it is treated as time skip, which Hit literally skip to the future, then Goku intercepted him in the middle of timeskip is Immeasurable speed, due to him using sheer speed to intercepted someone who in the process of skipping through time, to the future.

One issue with that. Whis legit explains time skip and how to counteract it. :/

(You have no idea how long I've been looking for this scan)

So according to someone who understands the ability in-verse, it works at maximum efficiency when the opponent is at a lower or equal to the user's own power level. That's why Goku just started stomping him when he went to SSG and Hit hadn't adapted yet. So, I doubt this is a speed feat, as much as it is Goku pulling all the stops to use full power and become stronger than hit. I mean, no doubt about it, he's obviously faster in this state, but not immeasurable, no.

 

[Vietthai96]

One issue with that. Whis legit explains time skip and how to counteract it. :/

(You have no idea how long I've been looking for this scan)

So according to someone who understands the ability in-verse, it works at maximum efficiency when the opponent is at a lower or equal to the user's own power level. That's why Goku just started stomping him when he went to SSG and Hit hadn't adapted yet. So, I doubt this is a speed feat, as much as it is Goku pulling all the stops to use full power and become stronger than hit. I mean, no doubt about it, he's obviously faster in this state, but not immeasurable, no.

And...............why use manga scan to debunk anime?????. Manga and Anime are different continuity

 

[KingEzran]

And...............why do you use manga scan to debunk anime?????. Manga and Anime are different continuity

1: This is the only time anime has even been mentioned in the whole thread. 2: It's the same thing happening, just without Whis telling you. Here's the fight, at first, Goku reacts through Analytical Prediction, later on Hit starts stopping time. So then Goku just breaks out of the Time Stop, and reacts to Hit per usual. Sure there are different continuities and different canons, but overall, I don't recall a time when a technique actually changed based on the verse. Some people use the "Goku forced himself into the future" argument but that isn't even in the original Japanese version of Dragon Ball Super.

 

[Vietthai96]

1: This is the only time anime has even been mentioned in the whole thread. 2: It's the same thing happening, just without Whis telling you. Here's the fight, at first, Goku reacts through Analytical Prediction, later on Hit starts stopping time. So then Goku just breaks out of the Time Stop, and reacts to Hit per usual. Sure there are different continuities and different canons, but overall, I don't recall a time when a technique actually changed based on the verse. Some people use the "Goku forced himself into the future" argument but that isn't even in the original Japanese version of Dragon Ball Super.

oh god....................well, cast aside English Dub which no one use...........Hit never timestop to begin with. He can only timestop when Goku throw the Kamehameha at his face, and he not even resist it. At first Hit used time skip, and Goku predict then Hit evolve out of hand, thus Goku goes SSBKKx10, and then intercepted Hit when he skip through time. Now if you want, look at this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/something-something-goku-time-stop.131867/
I don't want to repeat myself again

 

[KingEzran]

cast aside English Dub which no one use

I can't tell if you're saying no one uses or no one used. But if you're saying the latter, people actually have tried to use that as evidence within this thread.

Anyways, it makes the most sense in-verse with the nature of this ability that Goku broke out through sheer power, heck, even a resistance to overall Time Manipulation instead of just Time Stop could make sense, but I doubt this is an immeasurable speed feat. Of course, I understand where you would get such a conclusion. Granted, if this is immeasurable, it would probably still be counted as an outlier and not an upgrade, but I suppose it is a possibility that Goku moved at an immeasurable speed in that one instance, yes.

 

[DivineAura44]

We are technically always resisting time manip. Time doesn't "move". We are moving through time.

 

[KingEzran]

We are technically always resisting time manip. Time doesn't "move". We are moving through time.

Actually, we can't physically escape the flow of time so...no. We actually aren't.

I really hope this doesn't derail.

 

[Vietthai96]

We are technically always resisting time manip. Time doesn't "move". We are moving through time.

idk where did you learn this, but not, we don't move through time, time move us along with it axis/line. a predetermined "future"

 

[DivineAura44]

idk where did you learn this, but not, we don't move through time, time move us along with it axis/line. a predetermined "future"

If it's a predetermined future then doesn't it already exist?

 

[DivineAura44]

Actually, we can't physically escape the flow of time so...no. We actually aren't.

I really hope this doesn't derail.

Yeah I'll chill, for now.

 

[Vietthai96]

If it's a predetermined future then doesn't it already exist?

Well, you and me and everyone are bound to move along with it, so, kinda predetermined

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Edit: or easier, MFTL+ character take several hours to move around the city or country

Man this argument is terribad, you’re just saying because other verses have Anti-Feats Dragon Ball’s should be ignored.

 

[Vietthai96]

Man this argument is terribad, you’re just saying because other verses have Anti-Feats Dragon Ball’s should be ignored.

Huh, did you even read my entire comment????. We don't go debunk speed because they doesn't demonstrate their combat speed in trivial matter, daily work.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Huh, did you even read my entire comment????. We don't go debunk speed because they doesn't demonstrate their combat speed in trivial matter, daily work.

But if Goku forced his way into the future through sheer speed that wouldn’t be randomly exclusive to combat speed. Taking finite time to travel from point A to point B would still very much be an Anti-Feat.

 

[Vietthai96]

But if Goku forced his way into the future through sheer speed that wouldn’t be randomly exclusive to combat speed. Taking finite time to travel from point A to point B would still very much be an Anti-Feat.

Again, talk that kind of thing to other Immeasurable speed character, who very much have the same problem when dealing with potraying Immeasurable or infinite speed. They all have the same anti feat if we using this argument. Don't talk with Dragon Ball because they doesn't have Immeasurable speed lol. Or you could downgrade DB MFTL+ speed to Sonic speed

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

A Dragon Ball argument overtakes some random Q&A thread

Again, talk that kind of thing to other Immeasurable speed character, who very much have the same problem when dealing with potraying Immeasurable or infinite speed. They all have the same anti feat if we using this argument

Sure, other Verses have Anti-Feats too. Doesn’t mean we’d give DB a pass if someone makes an Immeasurable speed DBS upgrade.

 

[Vietthai96]

A Dragon Ball argument overtakes some random Q&A thread


Sure, other Verses have Anti-Feats too. Doesn’t mean we’d give DB a pass if someone makes an Immeasurable speed DBS upgrade.

Like i said before, it is not about upgrade, but about how we interpreting the feat itself. This is Q&A thread, thus i provided different view point on the feat itself

 

[KingEzran]

This is Q&A thread, thus i provided different view point on the feat itself

Yeah, this is Q&A, we've pretty much been partially derailing for the whole thread.

Did you get your question answered, Fluffy? Since I mean, that's actually what the thread is about. Follow-up discussions, questions, or CRTs could go into convos or other threads respectively now thinking about it.

 

[DivineAura44]

Well, you and me and everyone are bound to move along with it, so, kinda predetermined.

The future is set in stone. Every idea you ever thought out has already existed. It's actually in a book on a page in a library.

 

[KingEzran]

First off, that's...not how thoughts and books work. Secondly, can we get at least partially on-topic again?

 

[DivineAura44]

First off, that's...not how thoughts and books work. Secondly, can we get at least partially on-topic again?

You clearly don't understand what book but yeah, back on topic would be nice.