They attacked me and said that my OCs would never be accepted even though I said I didn't want them on the wiki. They then closed the thread before I could make any further replies.
Nobody ever said that the vsbattles system was perfect, we’ve changed it numerous times.
They likely closed it because the thread is already served the purporsed
If you think he/she attacked you, complain to a bureaucrat or an administrator.
... And yet you posted about them here? You could have avoided all of this by recognizing that if this is true, it's not really any of our business. Maybe it's good that you still did, given that "my character can beat Goku!" In an OP doesn't really give great vibes about how good of a read it'll be, since the light novel genre has been flooded with things that can kill Goku at the cost of quality and the brain cells of their fanbase, reference Instant Death, Maou Gaiken, A Wild Last Boss, list goes on.
I understand that some of the verses on that wiki were made as jokes which is why I avoided those ones. The ones I included in my scaling system and for my OCs were all serious verses. It certainly felt like they were attacking me, especially since they attacked me directly earlier in the thread when I said I didn't know of many anime characters more powerful than Goku that weren't part of the Dragon Ball franchise. And I did focus on the characters a lot for those OCs. I just haven't finished developing Marble yet. The manga is in the very early planning stages with Marble being the second character I made for it after the main protagonist. I have plans to give the protagonist a rival but haven't decided what the rival will be like yet. The basic premise of the manga is that the main character was made fun of his entire life for being the weakest so he made it his mission to become the strongest in the universe. Eventually, he moves onto the multiverse, then the metaverse, then the xenoverse, then the hyperverse, and so on until he hits a ceiling that cannot be overcome. Assuming I can continue the manga for that long of course. I put a lot of thought into it. While I did make the manga for the purpose of having the strongest anime/manga character, I am putting real effort into making it a good story. But I had no opportunity to explain that because I was too busy defending myself.
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It's not intended to be toxic and I did put in effort into making them good characters. While the purpose was to make them powerful, it wasn't the only thing I focused on. I always put in effort to write good characters, whether they be above tier 0 or way below average human level.
I'm autistic and like sharing my creations with people. That's why I posted them. I posted The Unbiased Writer too even though it's beyond immeasurable in all its stats and cannot be reasonably scaled outside of my own tiering system where I made a tier just for it. But considering the fact that I was attacked everytime I posted a character here, I feel like I should only share my characters with friends and will probably not be that active on here.
This does not sound like he was insulting you for it at all. All this is is him explaining how goku is nowhere close to being one of the strongest in fiction.
If there's been a lot of thought put into it already, i think it would have been real nice to know the basic plot at least if you had enough time to get a good idea of their power levels and scaling too.
Okay, but, like... I'm not sure what people are supposed to talk about when it's just the power levels of the characters
Thing is, nobody can really solo fiction, or anime & manga for that matter. Anyone can make someone just as strong, or stronger. You can never really be the 'strongest' in any genre of fiction. A fiction leaderboard of strength is just not a quantifiable thing at all
You can DM them by clicking on their name and then going to direct messages, but literally everyone here agrees that vene was not being "rude" in any capacity. It was way more like general criticism. I don't think it'll get you far at all.
Critisicm is not attacking someone. The whole idea of having 41 entire tiers above outerversal is just inherently not a good idea for any narrative.
His goal is to be the strongest. He starts out not knowing that there is anything past the universe until Marble shows him there is. So, he then decides to become the strongest in the multiverse. But then he learns of the metaverse so he decides to become the strongest in the metaverse too, and so on. The entire time, he is racing his rival to get there. At some point, after he decides he is the strongest, he is controlled and turns on his friends. None of them can beat him but then his rival steps up to the plate and after a fierce battle where his rival shows the power he was hiding, his rival wins, and the final attack is strong enough to knock him out of being controlled. He learns that he still has a lot of work to do before he is truly the strongest and to never assume he is the strongest until he knows for sure that he is. I know that writing characters that powerful is challenging and that's why I do it. Because I like the challenge. I already have come up with ways for all my characters besides The Unbiased Writer to be defeated. I won't make a way for The Unbiased Writer to be defeated because if it is, that would mean there is no longer anything making sure everything in fiction happens and that would essentially make fiction stop. The Unbiased Writer is supposed to be the pinnacle of fiction so creating a weakness wouldn't make sense. There will still be conflict but it will always win. But a good character doesn't need to be defeated. Look at Saitama for instance. Ever since he got his powers, he never lost a fight. But he is still a beloved character. My manga's MC has a bunch of powers that are either unique or uncommon. It's not just "this character is omnipotent/nigh omnipotent" or "he has powerful physical traits and nothing else" or "he uses generic energy blasts/elemental attacks".
This isn't what i really mean. You don't need a metaverse for the sole purpose to make a character super powerful.
That's... because saitama is literally a parody of all these strong characters
He was made to make fun of MC's who are the strongest individual in their universe.
And even in HIS case, he's not destroying an infinite-dimensional barrier with 10 gajillion branching googolverses in it for the author to emphasize he's strong. Saitama doesn't even get to tier 2 right now.That's... because saitama is literally a parody of all these strong characters
I don't need a metaverse for that purpose. I could just state "he can destroy literally anything, no matter what no matter what, and he is immune to anything anyone else says and he solos all of fiction ignoring literally everything" but that would be childish and terrible writing. I want my characters to show how powerful they are. I don't want to rely on statements alone.This isn't what i really mean. You don't need a metaverse for the sole purpose to make a character super powerful.
That's... because saitama is literally a parody of all these strong characters
Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down? I'll repeat it every time that this community is loaded with Neurodivergents. They also know to generally try to be relevant to the topic when they share, which I can't really say for posting about your character's power level (and solely that) and not even intending to give them a profile.
I know that and that shows that he is more than just a parody of strong characters.
Different neurovariances are different. Autism is unique and is a spectrum. So saying that a ton of people here are neurovariant doesn't really accomplish anything. Also, I am new here so I haven't fully integrated into the community. It's hard to integrate when I am met with hostility every time I try.
You can't really draw anything more than a tesseract without readers being confused on what they are looking at, the only way a verse gets tier 1 in the first place is with reliable statements
In that case i think you need to get off the forum and calm down for a second, because receiving criticism from people is not them being hostile to you. It's one thing to blow one person's words out of proportion, but trying to play the victim when everyone says the same exact thing to you doesn't help your case man. Take a break.
I'm high functioning Autism and have dual-type ADHD. I don't care for tiershit and you shouldn't either, it'll just put a terrible taste in your mouth.
My goal isn't to make a strong character. It is to make the strongest character in anime/manga. I can't do that if I cap myself at universe level. I already have a series where characters' base strength doesn't exceed complex multiverse level (with the exception of one character who is outerversal but can't even interact with the material plane) and doesn't exceed planet level until the last episode and that's the series based on my fursona. I even have a character who is at most peak human. The reason the power levels are so low is because my goal in that series isn't to make high-tiered characters. I have Marvel OCs and even the strongest one doesn't beat The One Above All. I have plenty of Undertale OCs that are below universe level. I make characters that aren't that powerful all the time. But because they scale so low, there isn't much point in talking about them here.
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Bro, that's not a good way of writing at all. Not only are you gonna end up hyperfixating on power, which is never good, but it's also just straight up impossible. I've explained this already.
What?????????
My favorite character in all of fiction is literally a 7-A | 5-B character, in Garrosh Hellscream.
I'm gonna repeat what I said in the other thread man, look at all the times dragon ball had Goku as "the strongest" or to put it more specifically "strongest with regards to the readers perception." It was by necessity that dragon ball had to reinvent itself in order to keep telling it's story. A Goku who is just the strongest is counterintuitive to that story as a whole. It's that very concept that something like One Punch Man flips on it's head. It really shouldn't be about just making the strongest but the journey getting to that point. Even if you limit yourself to something more reasonable per say you need to work past just having the characters be that strong because you want them there.
You have different special interests than me and that's okay but please don't attack my special interests. I've already made characters that are beyond omnipotence and crafted what that means. Even excluding The Unbiased Writer, I have 3 Undertale OCs that are beyond omnipotent. The way to explain it is that omnipotent characters are still bound by the rules of their verse. They can change those rules but they still have to follow whatever they change them to. A beyond omnipotent character is not bound by those rules. They can make whatever rules they want and not follow them. Much like a lot of moderators. Bitterness aside, beyond omnipotence ignores cosmology unless the characters are both equally powerful without cosmology, in which case, the character with higher cosmology still wins. So even without tiers above tier 0, I still have characters that are stronger than tier 0 characters. I also don't like the way tier 0 works because characters who are omnipotent over higher cosmologies should be stronger than characters who are omnipotent over lower cosmologies. It's why Celestialsapiens are not tier 0 despite being omnipotent. But that is suddenly throw out the window when it comes to tier 0 characters. It's why I completely rewrote the definition of Boundless in my scaling system.
The manga is about the journey to getting to that point. He doesn't just start out weak and then become the strongest character in fiction in the next chapter. It will be years in real life before he gets that powerful.
Is its cosmology the same or lower than the Cthulu Mythos? If so, I can easily surpass it by having higher verses. As I said before, I don't like how tier 0 works because it treats characters of different power levels as equal.You can't. Literally, you can be equal to the strongest, you can't be above.Yog Sothoth (Guns Girl Z)
Yog Sothoth (尤格Yòugé・索托斯Suǒtuōsī?) is an Outer God of the franchise Houkai Gakuen 2 or Gun Girls Z. The Outer Gods, deities who reside beyond the space-time of the Universe have infinite wisdom, but due to that fact they also have endless loneliness. Here you can attain anything you want, except...
That's great and all, but it still doesn't necessitate being beyond tier 0 somehow. You should not aim to have the strongest character in fiction at all, it's just not possible and also just plain bad writing at that point. There is a reason why places like FC/OC have strict rules on tier 1 and have whole review threads for it, this sort of thing should always make sense narratively.
Cause it's mathematically impossible to go any further than that
Celestialsapiens also don't meet the tier 0 requirements. You need to be beyond the rest of the verse and literally nobody is allowed to be able to touch that character in terms of scaling. ever. There is no Beyond Omnipotent, because by definition, Omnipotent means to have unlimited power. There's a laundry list of qualifications you need to meet to be tier 0. There's no layers in tier 0, there's no big power gap, you are just "Tier 0" and equal to every other tier 0.
what's Infinity + Infinity? Or Infinity x Infinity∞? Infinity. That is tier 0.
I will find a way to write it. I've surpassed tier 0 before and can do it again. In fact, it's not too difficult to do if you know how to do it. I can put 10% of my focus into making the character strong enough and 90% into making the characters good.
