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Pre-Shro def gets feasted on. I wasn't sure about Post though since his Incorporeality isnt ever implied to be spiritual in nature rather as a paradox as was stated; he is neither dead nor live rather undead, I think that already renders most spirit/soul based hax's uesless. I might be wrong though, just came back after hearing about the Bleach upgrades and was curious.So uh how does Yhwach not completely and utterly stomp even in base?
Could you illuminate? I haven't checked Yhwach's profile thoroughly enough so this is a genuine question, how does he deal with Incorporeality that is definitely not spiritual in nature? THANKS!See if it was beards, Alucard no contest, but moustache vs moustache, Ywach decimates ( also Yhwach decimates in general like this is a BADDDD roflstomp)
cant refute thatYhwach's Mustache is far better
Does he not deal , stay Inconclusive.Could you illuminate? I haven't checked Yhwach's profile thoroughly enough so this is a genuine question, how does he deal with Incorporeality that is definitely not spiritual in nature? THANKS!
Even his hypnotism doesn't work, allmighty sees it and nulls itAlucard doesn't have a chance in hell. Unless he hypnotizes
But aizen hypnotized himEven his hypnotism doesn't work, allmighty sees it and nulls it
Schrodinger's incorporeality isn't technically applicable in a combat sense, it is simply referring to his separated conciousness from his physical manifestations, not so much him being untouchable just that his mind which is the key part you have to destroy is untouchable since it's well a mind, Because this is yhwachs strongest key, he has access to the Almighty and the sternritter Schrift, giving him a plethora of powers to swiftly deal with Alucard, he can use "The Compulsory" to invade Alucard's body and copy all of his powers, Schrodinger included, with "The Love" he can force Alucard into falling in love with him and order him to stop recognizing himself, which will cause Alucard to immediately be erased from existence because of how Schrodinger works, can do roughly the same thing with "The Question" through forcing him to begin questioning everything about himself and his powers, can again copy all of Alucard's powers via " The Yourself" literally becoming a second Alucard but with all of the abilities of Yhwach as well. With "The Visionary" Yhwach can simply wish Alucard out of existence, as it turns his fantasy into reality, these are all just a handful of powers he has that can eliminate Alucard.Could you illuminate? I haven't checked Yhwach's profile thoroughly enough so this is a genuine question, how does he deal with Incorporeality that is definitely not spiritual in nature? THANKS!
Aizen uses an insanely powerful illusions that are about to trick the Almighty and work on virtually omniscient beings, Alucard's hypnotism is simply having them make eye contact and giving them an order.But aizen hypnotized him
This was Aizen in his strongest state that hypnotised a base Yhwach during the war tho.But aizen hypnotized him
Kyoka Suigetsu only worked on Yhwach because he placed it when Yhwach didn't had The Almighty yet. if they never met prior the final fight , The Almighty would have negged KS altogether.But aizen hypnotized him
Feels like theres some kind of no limits fallacy at play with Almighty. Where does it cap?Schrodinger's incorporeality isn't technically applicable in a combat sense, it is simply referring to his separated conciousness from his physical manifestations, not so much him being untouchable just that his mind which is the key part you have to destroy is untouchable since it's well a mind, Because this is yhwachs strongest key, he has access to the Almighty and the sternritter Schrift, giving him a plethora of powers to swiftly deal with Alucard, he can use "The Compulsory" to invade Alucard's body and copy all of his powers, Schrodinger included, with "The Love" he can force Alucard into falling in love with him and order him to stop recognizing himself, which will cause Alucard to immediately be erased from existence because of how Schrodinger works, can do roughly the same thing with "The Question" through forcing him to begin questioning everything about himself and his powers, can again copy all of Alucard's powers via " The Yourself" literally becoming a second Alucard but with all of the abilities of Yhwach as well. With "The Visionary" Yhwach can simply wish Alucard out of existence, as it turns his fantasy into reality, these are all just a handful of powers he has that can eliminate Alucard.
Even without them, The Almighty negates the alteration of causality, rewriting the future so that anything he destroys/kills, will remain destroyed in the future, completely cancelling out Shrodinger's physical manifestations as if he is killed this way, he STAYS dead. With The Almighty, he can simply choose a future where Alucard never uses his powers at all.
Even without that, he has powers in his first key that perma-kill Alucard, like Yammamoto's bankai, which Erases people from existence, and even with a basic Quincy power can destroy souls, which is in Hellsing the same thing as conciousness as Schrodinger's soul is what grants him these powers and unlike his previous key, he only has ONE soul.
The Almighty is just that, it caps against beings who have Acausality, power nullification, fate/precognition resistance, smurf abilities(4-D and higher) or HDE higher dimensional beings.Feels like theres some kind of no limits fallacy at play with Almighty. Where does it cap?
Feels like theres some kind of no limits fallacy at play with Almighty. Where does it cap?
I dont remember Schrodingers abilities deriving from his conciousness rather the essence of his being granted Alucard his abilities obviously because he previously consumed him whilst at level 0 but what was said was he has to be concious of his being in order to retain his existence. I think Alucards level of existence elevated with Shrodingers essence or so it's implied.
To be frank he can't use "The Compulsory" since Alucard doesn't really have an actual physical manifestation or "body" or even if he manifested himself physically it doesn't really mean anything to kill him that way, unless he has some way of negating Alucard from thinking himself back into existence. ""The Love" he can force Alucard into falling in love with him and order him to stop recognizing himself" that seems like mind control of some sort which via scaling to Seras he should resist who broke out of Zorins illusions. Also it was shown that Schrodinger can enter memories and possibly alter them as he was seen talking to Zorin in her memories? Also you mentioned how with The Almighty helps him choose a future where Alucard doesn't use his power but to my knowledge Schrodinger is the only remaining utility he has so he'll probably be using that from the get go. Also isnt his Schro abilities passive at this point? he was shown regenerating in the last episode either he still has the same regen from before which he shouldnt due to losing all the souls or he's using Schros regen or it's just amped up vampire regen. It's very likely schro's though.
"A basic Quincy power can destroy souls, which is in Hellsing the same thing as conciousness as Schrodinger's soul is what grants him these powers and unlike his previous key, he only has ONE soul." I'm not so sure, he said he'd kept only 1 soul to remain it could've been his own as he should've stopped existing the minute he absorbed Schro whilst at level 0 when he lost his sense of self due to the 3 mil lives with him which meddled with his perception of self. If he could resist it then isnt that a feat for having some degree of resistence to existence erasure? either that or he had enough sentience to resist getting earsed which is more of a mind manipulation resistance feat and thats literally the only way to kill Alucard. You can argue it was the 3 mil lives within him which acted as a last resort for him to restore himself but the 3 mil souls is what led him to stop existing to begin with. Also is it really killing him if you destroy his physical manifestation? because as long as he is aware wether present physically or not he will come back.
Thanks for the replies guys! appreciate it heaps!
YesWait is Almighty passive?
dont think reiatsu is win con with Post-Schro since his powers are not spiritual in nature nor does it have to do anything with his or schro's soul. Almighty on the other hand seems kinda busted. Tier wise Alucard is outclassed but he still holds better than some in higher tiers so I thought it was interesting.What possessed you to think Alucard can pull this off? Yhwach stands there and let's reiatsu crush do the work in both rounds.
Alucard gets his soul crushed. That bypasses the man's Low-Godly. The apsolute best you'll get is an incon.dont think reiatsu is win con with Post-Schro since his powers are not spiritual in nature nor does it have to do anything with his or schro's soul. Almighty on the other hand seems kinda busted. Tier wise Alucard is outclassed but he still holds better than some in higher tiers so I thought it was interesting.
SGGL has 11-D probability hax if I recall.Perhaps Yhwach Vs Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann would be a better match up?
Thats right. So it is Porbablility manip GG?SGGL has 11-D probability hax if I recall.
Probably, since The Almighty can just neg it, it'd be Ironically closer than this fight cause at least Beerus is massively stronger, but he'd still be vulnerable to Yhwachs haxDont know if I should create a separate discussion forum but can Yhwach deal with/resist Hakai from Beerus?
Almighty can Neg EE from a being with stacked up AP? has he negged any of that level in the Manga? something that rivals Beerus' EEProbably, since The Almighty can just neg it, it'd be Ironically closer than this fight cause at least Beerus is massively stronger, but he'd still be vulnerable to Yhwachs hax
AP does not relate to hax unless specified, even if it did, The Almighty isn't AP based or else it'd be useless, it literally just sees the power in the future and makes sure that power cannot harm him in the future, unfortunately mainline Dragon Ball does not have the hax/resistances of Heroes/Xenoverse, you specifically have to have a way of neutralizing The Almighty in someway, or be Higher Dimensional, neither of which Beerus has/or is.Almighty can Neg EE from a being with stacked up AP? has he negged any of that level in the Manga? something that rivals Beerus' EE
what does that mean?Do u like have a thing against ywach or something ?
instantly, technically even retroactively in most cases, The Almighty is passive, it's basically one of the greatest " Nah I don't like that, that doesn't work on me" powers.Hakai definitely 1 shots if he lands it. But how fast can Yhwach react to his precog and to Almighty opening up other "futures" (why is it called a future? wouldn't it be a differently reality overall?) where Beerus is unable to somehow
I havent been around for a while and not quite caught up with Bleach so I wanted to get a gauge of mustache mans capabilities and I could just read up on him but I gain a better understanding this way. My apologies I realize this is very elaborate and uncessary. Mustache man kinda stacked with passives which basically carry him it seems. Just curious, what level of Soul Manip Resistance lets you bail from Soul Crush? also how passive is it?Do u like have a thing against ywach or something ?
its heavily debatable, I've always taken it as it's literally shown, which is you are effected by Reiatsu crush depending on the difference in power, but others take it as if you don;t resist soul manip you just instantly die so it all just depends, I can't remember the potency though, as it varies depending on the characterI havent been around for a while and not quite caught up with Bleach so I wanted to get a gauge of mustache mans capabilities and I could just read up on him but I gain a better understanding this way. My apologies I realize this is very elaborate and uncessary. Mustache but kinda stacked with passives which basically carry him it seems. Just curious, what level of Soul Manip Resistance lets you bail from Soul Crush? also how passive is it?