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Where does trivialism scale you to?

Where would the verse scale to if it proved trivialism?
Depends on the context and how much its elaborated on in a verse.
Normal trivialism about "contradictions" existing scales to nowhere at all. But if it's something like "All Logical and illogical possibilities exist", you might get a High 1-A+ if you have alot[a very very huge extent] of context, or just way too direct statements proving it can extend to that.

However, it may also not be High 1-A+ if the verse holds "illogicalities"[something like rounded square] as physically existing outside the Logic Space [which is High 1-A+], as there cannot be anything above a High 1-A+ that is not Tier 0.
Although I may be being too strict on this part, since I haven't fully mastered stuff about illogicality regarding the new tiering system [I only focused on the logical possibilities stuff].

However, if those illogicalities are just treated as "Possibilities as is, although illogical", then its fine for the whole thing to be High 1-A+ since that means those logical impossibilities do not have any concrete existence in reality.
Not at all. However, the "past combines with the future" might support the block universe theory, and possibly suggest the existence of a hypertimeline.
 
I see, very interesting
Not at all. However, the "past combines with the future" might support the block universe theory, and possibly suggest the existence of a hypertimeline.
what would block universe theory bring to this cosmos? (Like, any new hax or tier?). And how could it support hyper timelines?

Because I got many more statements, like, for how beings who exist in the void (outside space-time) “past and future” hold no meaning, they get to experience it all at the same time.
There’s another statement for infinite possibilities in the void (“Anything is possible in the void”).
 
what would block universe theory bring to this cosmos? (Like, any new hax or tier?). And how could it support hyper timelines?
Essentially, if the entire universe is stated to have its past, present and future [tho you don't need "present" to be stated directly] existing at the same time from another being's perspective, that would not only give that being 4D perception range, but also warrant a potential hypertimeline if those higher beings move in their own sort of "Time", past and future.
Because I got many more statements, like, for how beings who exist in the void (outside space-time) “past and future” hold no meaning, they get to experience it all at the same time.
That does feel like the the right context for a hypertimeline, yeah. But just that much would just equate to a single snapshot of the hypertimeline. It's gonna be supporting evidence, but not the main argument.
Anything regarding there existing some higher form of time for those higher beings?
Also, is the "Void" just called that because its outside space-time[i.e., being empty space], or is it a NEP void?
There’s another statement for infinite possibilities in the void (“Anything is possible in the void”).
Interesting, on another topic, but not related to the existence of a hypertimeline, as far as I know.
However, if you can link the "possible" part to those possibilities being mathematical possibilities, you might get a Low 1-A rating, and if its logical possibilities, then it can go as high as H1-A+, although that needs far more context.
 
Essentially, if the entire universe is stated to have its past, present and future [tho you don't need "present" to be stated directly] existing at the same time from another being's perspective, that would not only give that being 4D perception range, but also warrant a potential hypertimeline if those higher beings move in their own sort of "Time", past and future.
Oh damn, this is new to me
That does feel like the the right context for a hypertimeline, yeah. But just that much would just equate to a single snapshot of the hypertimeline. It's gonna be supporting evidence, but not the main argument.
Anything regarding there existing some higher form of time for those higher beings?
Also, is the "Void" just called that because it’s outside space-time[i.e., being empty space], or is it a NEP void?
“The Void” is a NEP void, I’ve made a sandbox profile for it, with lots of context.
Interesting, on another topic, but not related to the existence of a hypertimeline, as far as I know.
However, if you can link the "possible" part to those possibilities being mathematical possibilities, you might get a Low 1-A rating, and if its logical possibilities, then it can go as high as H1-A+, although that needs far more context.
I see, but I thought “infinite possibilities” would be linked to MWI by default, giving a rating of Low 1-C. As timelines would keep branching to fill every possibility there is.


I have another interesting detail. In this cosmos, if someone were to travel to the past of their universe, it would simply end up creating a new timeline branching out from the original (the new one will have a different history of its own, but very similar to the original). Would this mean anything?
 
I see, but I thought “infinite possibilities” would be linked to MWI by default, giving a rating of Low 1-C. As timelines would keep branching to fill every possibility there is.
Well, we don't by default assume that "Infinite" would be uncountably infinite[which is Low 1-C], that's why we don't assume it's gonna be Low 1-C by default. Tho, what you said latter happens at every instance of time the main timeline or any of those timelines; that is, new timelines branch at every single moment, then that's indeed Low 1-C.
I have another interesting detail. In this cosmos, if someone were to travel to the past of their universe, it would simply end up creating a new timeline branching out from the original (the new one will have a different history of its own, but very similar to the original). Would this mean anything?
That's just a supporting evidence for branching timelines, so no, wouldn't give much.
“The Void” is a NEP void, I’ve made a sandbox profile for it, with lots of context.
Didn't think it would be Shadow Fight xD. W game tho, I enjoyed playing it for quite some time.
Interesting. Regarding these parts:
The Great Empty Void, also described as The Portal is the vast emptiness in which worlds are born in
  • Nonexistent Physiology (Nature 1, Aspect 1, 2, 3, 4; Is described to be the emptiness in which worlds are born)
(Is said to atleast contain 500,000,000 timelines at some point as a result of stranger's time jumps. Each time jump into the past creates a alternate timeline with different history and moments, with a new copy of the time traveler in this new timeline. It is also implied to likely contain infinite number of timelines with endless possibilities, as stated by mnemos during epilogue)
This is all 1-A stuff from what I see, regarding the last key. Tho, I don't think the last key is really a character, but rather a part of the cosmology.
Quoting the BDE page:
As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar. However, if they are applied to realms that can be inferred to surpass the very composition of the lower reality (e.g. Realms that are, themselves, non-composite, such as conceptual domains, or often, voids of nothingness), then 1-A is the most appropriate rating for them.

Furthermore, keep in mind that Type 2 Beyond-Dimensional Existence (In particular the latter variant) is not simply a combination of a non-dimensional state of existence and greater raw power than all dimensional structures in a cosmology – Though that is a necessary condition to qualify for it, it is not a sufficient one. Instead, the non-dimensional state of existence must be the direct cause of the character/realm's superiority over dimensions. A simple example being voids of nothingness that lack space, time and physicality entirely, but are nonetheless "vaster" than physical reality in some way, with common imagery being the universe as a small object encompassed in such a backdrop.
 
Looks like I was mistaken on that part, my bad.
This is all 1-A stuff from what I see
Aren’t they asking for a superiority statement? Or just the void’s state of existence as a conceptual domain is enough?
regarding the last key. Tho, I don't think the last key is really a character, but rather a part of the cosmology.
Yeah I realized it later, part of the reason why I gave up on the sandbox lol.

Another question, assuming the void get a 1-A rating, how would it affect Tenebris?
Tenebris has a WoG statement for being the physical manifestation of the void, he has partaken in the creation of the verse, along with the void
 
Aren’t they asking for a superiority statement? Or just the void’s state of existence as a conceptual domain is enough?
Indeed, but that "Superiority" is essentially about being of an entirely different composition of reality than the lower one. One must not necessarily need statements like "Beyond the concept of dimensionality" or all that. As long as it fulfills the 2 basic requirements of "It's a different composition, different from physicality entirely", and "It's "superior" to physical reality insofar as being bigger then it", it can get 1-A.

Since due to the very first requirement, we can conclude that something that is not physical [not in the sense of incorporeality, but rather NEP or BDE1], that means it's something Aspatial. And as we know, something aspatial cannot be multiplied onto itself, or divided into itself, to achieve something that is spatial [and not aspatial].
  1. So that leads us to two possible conclusions: it's inferior to physical reality insofar as being completely insignificant, nothing at all[Note that, "insignificant" in the sense of lower dimensionality is completely different from its meaning in context to a lower reality].
  2. Or, it's superior to the physical reality; denotable by it being "bigger" than physical reality. Because essentially, you cannot be "Nothing"[as in a aspatial and atemporal] yet be bigger then physical reality without being a higher reality. It's the same thing as how something that lacks dimensionality can be either below dimensionality entirely, or above it entirely.
Yeah I realized it later, part of the reason why I gave up on the sandbox lol.
xD. Well, you can add it in their cosmology page if it exists.
Another question, assuming the void get a 1-A rating, how would it affect Tenebris?
Tenebris has a WoG statement for being the physical manifestation of the void, he has partaken in the creation of the verse, along with the void
It'll just be Abstract Existence [Type 2] for him[which it seems he already has] or Immortality type 9. He would gain the "help" [connection] to a 1-A power source. Some other benefits also include being able to become 1-A himself later on without an anti-feat [via getting empowered by a 1-A power source].
 
Since due to the very first requirement, we can conclude that something that is not physical [not in the sense of incorporeality, but rather NEP or BDE1], that means it's something Aspatial. And as we know, something aspatial cannot be multiplied onto itself, or divided into itself, to achieve something that is spatial [and not aspatial].
  1. So that leads us to two possible conclusions: it's inferior to physical reality insofar as being completely insignificant, nothing at all[Note that, "insignificant" in the sense of lower dimensionality is completely different from its meaning in context to a lower reality].
  2. Or, it's superior to the physical reality; denotable by it being "bigger" than physical reality. Because essentially, you cannot be "Nothing"[as in a aspatial and atemporal] yet be bigger then physical reality without being a higher reality. It's the same thing as how something that lacks dimensionality can be either below dimensionality entirely, or above it entirely.
My knowledge on sf is pretty rusty now, but I remember multiple statements where the void is called “infinity”, like, after defeating Tenebris, shadow just leaps into the void, where he hears whispers like “Infinity will devour you” and such. In shadow fight 3, the void gets a new name (Realm of infinity). Idk if vsbw admins would allow any changes based on these lmao. Less relevant but at one point it was also described as a “world which contains all other worlds”.
@Dashio_Tessai has more scans regarding the void, but would the above information mean anything regarding its size?
 
My knowledge on sf is pretty rusty now, but I remember multiple statements where the void is called “infinity”, like, after defeating Tenebris, shadow just leaps into the void, where he hears whispers like “Infinity will devour you” and such. In shadow fight 3, the void gets a new name (Realm of infinity). Idk if vsbw admins would allow any changes based on these lmao. Less relevant but at one point it was also described as a “world which contains all other worlds”.
It being the container of worlds/space-time while being a nonexistent void, in itself, enough to suggest that it's bigger then space-time and physical composition[and thus be 1-A].
 
I have updated the link for you👍
The link still seems to be imgur. I think you misunderstood me, I was not referring to being unable to see that image in particular, but rather, I can't view imgur images at all due to the aforementioned reason, xD.

Edit: Nevermind, I asked a friend to send me the pic as an SS directly. Saw it, and yep, it seems to be a perfect block universe scan.
 
VPN doesn't help?
Na. If it was just that, I wouldn't have stopped with my revision threads. I can't view them entirely.
The only way I can see them is by pasting the link on discord, and than the first scan in the link appears below the message I pasted in imgur [or something like that], but that's only for the scan at the top. I still cannot see the other scans, nor can I myself upload any scan.

To top that off, all the images I uploaded on imgur have been hidden until it's unbanned. It was due to me exceeding their image upload threshold [prolly for the per hour one]
 
Na. If it was just that, I wouldn't have stopped with my revision threads. I can't view them entirely.
What about using the iPhone app then use Imgur app (not with your account logged in, logged out), then go to safari, go on VSBW then go to the comment holding the Imgur link from above and then hold it and click on "the open in Imgur" section of the held link
 
What about using the iPhone app then use Imgur app (not with your account logged in, logged out), then go to safari, go on VSBW then go to the comment holding the Imgur link from above and then hold it and click on "the open in Imgur" section of the held link
I'm not a phone user, xD. Fully a PC user.
As for the method itself, if I did that, I would be able to see scans from other accounts, but not from my original account [since all of its images were hidden from everyone, not just me].
Something like this.
 
So where does the block universe scale? I am thinking 2-A cuz there can be infinite snapshots of the universe all equally real in a block universe. As sf universe is infinite, there being infinite snapshots is more likely.
 
So where does the block universe scale? I am thinking 2-A cuz there can be infinite snapshots of the universe all equally real in a block universe. As sf universe is infinite, there being infinite snapshots is more likely.
Depend on which one. Here we make the default assumption that every universe is a block universe one way or another.

However, reading the scan you sent, it seems to be a growing block universe instead. More precisely, it's more like presentism.
 
So where does the block universe scale? I am thinking 2-A cuz there can be infinite snapshots of the universe all equally real in a block universe. As sf universe is infinite, there being infinite snapshots is more likely.
Not really. A block universe can be as simple as just Low 2-C[a regular space-time], but it can also be Low 1-C if there's an external source perceiving the block universe as it[that is, seeing everything in the universe happen at the same time] while having its own higher notion of "Time" outside the block universe.
 
Depend on which one. Here we make the default assumption that every universe is a block universe one way or another.

However, reading the scan you sent, it seems to be a growing block universe instead. More precisely, it's more like presentism.
Past and present don't exist for void room doesn't literally mean that they don't exist at all. It means it in a sense that for void room all time exists at once so there is no past, present, future for it. This is why it also says that the void room doesn't predict, it states as everything happens to it at the same time.
 
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My knowledge on sf is pretty rusty now, but I remember multiple statements where the void is called “infinity”, like, after defeating Tenebris, shadow just leaps into the void, where he hears whispers like “Infinity will devour you” and such. In shadow fight 3, the void gets a new name (Realm of infinity). Idk if vsbw admins would allow any changes based on these lmao. Less relevant but at one point it was also described as a “world which contains all other worlds”.
@Dashio_Tessai has more scans regarding the void, but would the above information mean anything regarding its size?
It has been a while since I last checked on the verse. I've been on a hiatus for like half a year now, so I missed out on new events across the series and their scans. I'll jog my memory for scans related to the Void and stuff and send them over on Discord.
 
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