Where does the rating above low 4-C come from?(Except SPC's 4-B)

[Dzhindzholia]

There is only Frieza's High 5-A 1.7 tenatons feat.I get that low 4-C comes from Kaioken x20,which will be 34 Tenatons.The low 4-C capes at 136 tenatons.We don't give characters in the same tier a tier upgrade just because they are superior to another if there is even a chain of superiority.Only Kaioken multipliers are legit and accepted which gives us 34 tenatons,the multipliers page makes it clear that SSJ is unreliable.

So,where does it come from?Also,please avoid memes.

 

[Akreious]

Well, following basic math and scaling, Kaiokenx20 Goku is about equal to 50% Freeza at most.

Super Saiyan Goku is equal to 100% Freeza, so Super Saiyan is at minimum equal to Kaiokenx40 (Double that of Kaiokenx20) Goku. So anybody above Super Saiyan Goku (Freeza Saga) is automatically Low 4-C.

Then after he returns to Earth, his base form should be powerful enough to at least equal an unknown Kaioken level Goku back on Namek due to how Zenkais work, although I don't think he actually scales to that.

So Goku as a Super Saiyan after he returns to Earth casually and easily blocks and deflects attacks from Trunks going at him; the same Trunks who easily fodderized Mecha Freeza who is significantly stronger than his 100% MAX Form on Namek.

And this is all technically a lowball since First Form Freeza is fodderized by 2nd Form Freeza who in turn is fodderized by 3rd Form Freeza who 50% Freeza then fodderizes of whom 100% Freeza Fodderizes. The 1.7 Tenatons feat is performed by a form that isn't even a single percentage of a character's 100% while said feat is performed casually.

Oh and this statement: "We don't give characters in the same tier a tier upgrade just because they are superior to another if there is even a chain of superiority."

This is false. If the difference is small enough, we do allow tier upgrades via scaling chains.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Everything you said fits into low 4-C just fine.

This is false. If the difference is small enough, we do allow tier upgrades via scaling chains.

I am not sure,here we have a jump from high 5-A to High 4-C+.I'll ask someone to comment here.

 

[HST_Master]

There is no jump from High 5-A to High 4-C+. It's scaling into 4-C and thus High 4-C from Low 4-C via a scaling chain and the initial SSJ Multiplier being accepted.

EDIT: Also SSJ Goku wasn't equal to Frieza, he was in fact stomping him.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

There is only high 5-A feat.It is being upscaled to high 4-C+.

Wait,was SSJ multiplier accepted?The page says it isn't accepted.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It both is and isn't. It's just regarded as > KK, and due to Frieza's percentages I've regard SSJ as a high numbered multiplier.

 

[HST_Master]

Only SSJ1 is accepted. the rest are not. And you're essentially skipping that X10 Kaioken Goku is Low 4-C.

SSJ1 would have it be enough to scale into 4-C, being a over X40 Multiplier.

 

[Elizhaa]

x40 Multiplier for Super Saiyan is the reason for the Tier Jump, as stated by others.

x40 Multiplier for Super Saiyan, I believed was accepted here: Toeiverse/GT Goku Revisions Part 2.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

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[TataHakai]

"For better judgement on how much evidence one should bring if one wishes a multiplier to be accepted, and to decrease double standards as much as possible, one can look at the following precedent cases.

Multipliers without reliable statements

• Dragon Ball Super Saiyan Multipliers: Rejected due to never being stated in the actual series. Furthermore often seem to multiply in-universe power levels and not actual power. They often seem inconsistent, like for example the x2 SSJ2 multiplier turning a stomp around."

Where are people getting SS multipliers being accepted from?

Kaioken is accepted and is on their profiles

 

[Akreious]

"For better judgement on how much evidence one should bring if one wishes a multiplier to be accepted, and to decrease double standards as much as possible, one can look at the following precedent cases.===Multipliers without reliable statements===

• Dragon Ball Super Saiyan Multipliers: Rejected due to never being stated in the actual series. Furthermore often seem to multiply in-universe power levels and not actual power. They often seem inconsistent, like for example the x2 SSJ2 multiplier turning a stomp around."

Where are people getting SS multipliers being accepted from?

Kaioken is accepted and is on their profiles

... Nobody ever said SS Multipliers are accepted? The multiplier we DO have for Super Saiyan is based off of Math and logic rather than statements?

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Akreious

What is the point in that?SSJ multiplier is 50x,at this point you could already use it and don't bother with anything.

Can you link the thread where these multipliers were established.Or quote it.

... Nobody ever said SS Multipliers are accepted?

"Only SSJ1 is accepted. the rest are not."

 

[HST_Master]

x40 Multiplier for Super Saiyan is the reason for the Tier Jump, as stated by others.

x40 Multiplier for Super Saiyan, I believed was accepted here: Toeiverse/GT Goku Revisions Part 2.

^ Elizhaa already did. Super Saiyan is assumed to be at least x2 of Kaioken x20 by being able to stomp Frieza. Therefore Super Saiyan is the only one that's accepted to have a multiplier.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Well,this makes no sense for Goku with KKx20 that was nothing compared to 50% Frieza to be only 2x stronger in SSJ1.

Plus we can't just made up a multiplier using math,it has to be stated officially,it goes against the rules.

The question was answered the thread can be closed.

 

[Akreious]

"Plus we can't just made up a multiplier using math,it has to be stated officially,it goes against the rules."

This was never a thing FYI.

 

[AKM sama]

Can't people just refer previous threads on the matter? This has been extensively discussed and concluded and I still see threads about it every month or so.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@AKM

It literally violates our rules about the multipliers but that belongs to CRT.

The qeustion was answered you can close the thread now.

 

[AKM sama]

It doesn't. The super saiyan multipliers that are stated in various guidebooks like SSJ2, SSJ3, Grade 2, etc are not allowed. Kaioken is allowed and SSJ1 is a no-brainer.

Anyway, closing on OP's request.