Umineko Revision 3: The New Tiering System

[Wankbreaker]

You're prefacing that like the Witches relation to humans as being the same as how Featherine sees the witches then it still would be 1-A. Due to the nature of said transcendence being qualitative in nature.

Suppose, that the very nature of the layering in the Witches Domain being transcended is what you mean by utterly exceeding all extensions then maybe High 1-A works, but if it is similar to my statement up top then, it could just literally mean another layer in a 1-A hierarchy.

That’s exactly what I mean. One of featherines lower avatars in the witch domain constantly rebirthed, ascending a layer each time.

The third domain is stated directly not to have the system of life and death, and utterly transcends it.

The statements themselves bar nothing without any additional context. For Uminkeo's case, I don't find it relatively strong based on what was argued previously.

Think about it this way.how would a 1-A character view the quantity based layers below them? Would they see any difference between them? Same principle here.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Also, the COB is part of the third domain, fyi. It isn’t part of the witch domain.

 

[Karabach-barabach]

Ultima shan't open all threads like that anymore

Not clogging the thread any more, don't care if my comment will be deleted. Just wanted to write this

 

[Infinitinet]

What does that have to do with the Great Court of Heaven?

It's where he and Dlanor work no?

 

[Iiliminal]

tbh high 1-A+ makes sense to me

 

[Accelerate420]

It's where he and Dlanor work no?

Bernkastel doesnt see everyone she's above as pieces, that sort of talk is more-so used for when they're part of a game to indicate their place or if she's using them for something. We also don't know how high Bernkastel's Catbox is in relation to other layers, so it's possible for The Court to be Higher than the Catbox itself. Bernkastel's phrasing aside, I don't see it as proof of the Catbox being above Heaven.

That being said, that's all I'll say until Ultima joins the thread.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I think we should wait to some admins' imput before start discussing the location of different places of the cosmology, for the sake of not making an already 5 pages long thread into an even longer one.

Leaving that aside, I'm seeing that some people are repeating discussions that have already taken place on the thread. I'll recommend everyone to read it before start possibly the same arguments; again to not to increase the thread's length

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Is there anybody who can ping mods/staff to check this thread?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Is there anybody who can ping mods/staff to check this thread?

I have funny mention privileges, though im not sure who is even interested in umineko

 

[HigashikataJobin]

I have funny mention privileges, though im not sure who is even interested in umineko

Can you ping Ant? So he can ping some staff members? Idk

 

[Livinmeme]

I don't remember if it's possible to have a High 1A+ without a Tier 0...

Hi
Also I don't see any arguments for High 1-A+, just because you don't have any limits, doesn't mean that you embody all posiblities/posible worlds

 

[RigelBR7]

I agree with everything.

Le bump.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Bump

 

[RigelBR7]

make the L enrico

meta-bump.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Bump

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Le bump

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Has Ultima been called?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Has Ultima been called?

wait in the line buddy, I still need him to check my thread

yea, he has been called twice

 

[Karabach-barabach]

He should learn the cloning jutsu and start checking all threads at once at this point

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Ultima's a human too, pretty sure he's already doing enough work by revising the countless tier 1 CRT the new Tiering System caused, let him act at the rate he can. No need to hurry a CRT of an already exclusive (as well as outdated) verse like Umineko

 

[Karabach-barabach]

If you're saying this to me, I was just joking. I don't really care how long it'll take him to get to Umineko, I can wait for as long as the universe lives in

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Yes, like Just said, Umineko profiles are extremely outdated. Some of them don't have even links justifying their tier.

 

[Infinitinet]

Also, the COB is part of the third domain, fyi. It isn’t part of the witch domain.

Pretty much. The Great witches there are on the same level of the gods and the Creator.

 

[RigelBR7]

Hi
Also I don't see any arguments for High 1-A+, just because you don't have any limits, doesn't mean that you embody all posiblities/posible worlds

It is worth noting that Featherine in her TF is above all this, being a transcendent being who is above all the immutable qualities and meta-qualitative hierarchies of the verse. Also above all the Voyager Witches who represent universal and immutable qualities, in addition to seeing all verse, hierarchies and possible worlds as fiction. I agree with Featherine High 1-A above 1 meta qualitative hierarchy, and possibly High 1-A+.

 

[RigelBR7]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 @Everything12 @Agnaa @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @PrinceofPein @Planck69 @Ovy7 @Rakih_Elyan @IdiosyncraticLawyer @Kerwin0831 @RatherClueless @DarkGrath

We seem to need your help here.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I still stand by my previous stance.

 

[Ovy7]

It's been months, what was that stance?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Ah yes, Chinamen higher realms logic. 1-A but still bound to life and death.

I think it's just higher ontology in 1-A+ than straight up skipping to High 1-A in my opinion.

Creator are fraud tier 0, changed my mind.

Also High 1-A sound probable, but Ultima said it wasn't enough.

I don't know bruh, I think it just a higher ontology than an entire hierarchy altogether.

Also, I would like to be pointed to the scans in the OP that are supporting this.

 

[PrinceofPein]

What he said

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Hey guys, I have a suggestion. I've seen that this thread is... how can I say? Very big, in the sense that there's a lot of structures to see and evaluate. This is currently the only thread on the queue that covers 3 different tiers (1-A, High 1-A and 0).

I suggest that, because it's a long and complex cosmology, that we separate things and make this thread only about the Witch Domain — or we close this one and do a new. And, after the cosmology up to the Witch Domain is evaluated, we can make a new thread about the Creator Domain. For example, there's some structures that aren't covered in this thread that can change the opinion on the mods (Depths of Oblivion).

 

[Wankbreaker]

Hey guys, I have a suggestion. I've seen that this thread is... how can I say? Very big, in the sense that there's a lot of structures to see and evaluate. This is currently the only thread on the queue that covers 3 different tiers (1-A, High 1-A and 0).

I suggest that, because it's a long and complex cosmology, that we separate things and make this thread only about the Witch Domain — or we close this one and do a new. And, after the cosmology up to the Witch Domain is evaluated, we can make a new thread about the Creator Domain. For example, there's some structures that aren't covered in this thread that can change the opinion on the mods (Depths of Oblivion).

The sections in this thread are actually very short in length, i dont feel like that's really necessary.

 

[Wankbreaker]

+ most of the debate is about the creator/third domain, everyone pretty much agrees the witch domain is a 1-a hierarchy.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Indeed this post became something about the Third Domain. However the things extended and we are currently at the fifth page of discussion. I don't think the mods will be willing to see a 5 page discussion to give their opinions, considering also the vast amount of other threads in the queue. So, I think it's better, if the majority agrees with the 1-A/1-A+ part of the cosmology, that this thread is closed and another one focusing only on the Creator Domain is made.

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

I agree with all

 

[RigelBR7]

Bump

 

[Accelerate420]

Indeed this post became something about the Third Domain. However the things extended and we are currently at the fifth page of discussion. I don't think the mods will be willing to see a 5 page discussion to give their opinions, considering also the vast amount of other threads in the queue. So, I think it's better, if the majority agrees with the 1-A/1-A+ part of the cosmology, that this thread is closed and another one focusing only on the Creator Domain is made.

I personally wouldn't be against this not that my opinion means much. At this point that sounds the better way to go since the point of contention is the higher domains now, but we'll need Ovy's opinion and maybe some staff on that angle.

 

[Ovy7]

You'll still need staff to approve the 1A stuff first tho.

I also do not really see a reason to split this, it's not like the other parts are massive and most of the stuff already discussed is in the OP.

 

[Elizhaa]

I am fine with the 1-A and 1-A+ proposals. I am fine with the City of Book’s tiering proposals for high 1-A; it was accepted to scale to Featherine's study in a past thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/some-umineko-revisions.112122/

I think Featherine’s true form rating and Creator(s) can be High 1-A+, from Wanbreaker’s post. They have no limitations to anything they can create; they are free from any restriction in what they can create. The evidence points to reaching a state where there is no limit, especially when dealing with creation.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/when-...new-tiering-system.170014/page-2#post-6766681

Featherine’s justification somewhat notes this point, although she is the closest to a creator but has no real limit on creation: As a Creator, she is completely boundless and devoid of any existential limits and restrictions, transcending the infinite layers that make up the world of Umineko