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MrKerf said:
Absolute cinema. I didn’t even knew about the VTuber, the more you learn, huh…

The only tiny thing I have is that when you say that “entirety of "Umineko No Naku Koro Ni" is a fragment world”, we obviously know what you mean, but Umineko also includes the majority of Meta World, City of Books, etc, etc. So it would be better to rephrase as “the majority of events” imho.
Also, I don’t feel great about referencing Overvoid, or any other franchise’s
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Alright, thank you for the feedback.
 
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Are these things significant or just a metaphor?
 
Honestly, I never liked the idea of keys that tied to a certain location, especially with characters that can't really reach that level by themselves (like City of Books), even more so with the Sea of Oblivion, which incapacitates in all but name.
 
MrKerf said:
Honestly, I never liked the idea of keys that tied to a certain location, especially with characters that can't really reach that level by themselves (like City of Books), even more so with the Sea of Oblivion, which incapacitates in all but name.
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Uh?
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
I didn't understand your point at all, sorry.
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Well... Let's take Battler. He can't reach City of Books by himself and was required an outside help to reach it. For all intents and purposes, I don't think he really should have the City of Books manifestation key. Erika's CoB key literally says how it's reliant on Bern. Etc.
 
MrKerf said:
Well... Let's take Battler. He can't reach City of Books by himself and was required an outside help to reach it. For all intents and purposes, I don't think he really should have the City of Books manifestation key. Erika's CoB key literally says how it's reliant on Bern. Etc.
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i think there was point higher realm u r more powerfull u r


Anyways guys do we have proofs why hierarchies are different and not connected together? Sorry i cant find this info/statement so I will be happy if someone explains me it
 
MrKerf said:
Well... Let's take Battler. He can't reach City of Books by himself and was required an outside help to reach it. For all intents and purposes, I don't think he really should have the City of Books manifestation key. Erika's CoB key literally says how it's reliant on Bern. Etc.
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Then under this logic no character should have a key that surpasses the human world, since to reach the world of witches you need a superior witch to allow it.

Do you realize that makes no sense? The higher you ascend, the more powerful you are. Battler was able to ascend to the CoB because great witches allowed it, period.
 
Notlaziz said:
i think there was point higher realm u r more powerfull u r


Anyways guys do we have proofs why hierarchies are different and not connected together? Sorry i cant find this info/statement so I will be happy if someone explains me it
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I have no idea what are you talking about.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
Then under this logic no character should have a key that surpasses the human world, since to reach the world of witches you need a superior witch to allow it.
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Not always, technically, but sure.
ExcelsisBerny said:
Do you realize that makes no sense? The higher you ascend, the more powerful you are. Battler was able to ascend to the CoB because great witches allowed it, period.
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It just feels off. I guess I would feel better if the keys were selective for those who actually do something in the CoB, and not one-off guys, doing nothing. It feels like some exploit we use to give a bunch of characters High 1-A with no new powers even.
 
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MrKerf said:
It just feels off. I guess I would feel better if the keys were selective for those who actually do something in the CoB, and not one-off guys, doing nothing. It feels like some exploit we use to give a bunch of characters High 1-A with no new powers even.
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My job on this wiki is to index what the work actually shows, not what might “seem correct” according to criteria that are this ambiguous and arbitrary.

I have already had this discussion with Antavasima.

By your own logic, we should not scale any character to tier 0 because what "they do" is not “shown,” since they are immutable entities and that tier can only be reached through statements.
 
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Notlaziz said:
What i was asking is "Can anyone explain me Domains are different hierarchies and not connected to each other with ladder"
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Why should there be a single hierarchy in the first place?

Lambdadelta’s Memoirs only mentions that reality is divided into two extremes and that the witches stand in between.
 
MrKerf said:
It just feels off. I guess I would feel better if the keys were selective for those who actually do something in the CoB, and not one-off guys, doing nothing. It feels like some exploit we use to give a bunch of characters High 1-A with no new powers even.
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Golden Eagle is a collective streaks with the heart of concensus from the whole family so it's basically their attack potency.
 
By the way. To be honest, I think "CoB Manifestation" and "emanation of Ange’s essence" should be the separate key since it didn't only resurrect the whole family but it granted immortality (which is already in the profile) and special physiology against Red Truth.
 
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Nekobako said:
By the way. To be honest, I think "CoB Manifestation" and "emanation of Ange’s essence" should be the separate key since it didn't only resurrect the whole family but it granted immortality (which is already in the profile) and special physiology against Red Truth.
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Yes. CoB Battler is not the same as Golden Essence Battler, I agree.

The Golden essence amp is so overwhelming that even the Stakes of Purgatory became Voyager level in power (they oneshotted Bern's Leviathan).
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
Yes. CoB Battler is not the same as Golden Essence Battler, I agree.

The Golden essence amp is so overwhelming that even the Stakes of Purgatory became Voyager level in power (they oneshotted Bern's Leviathan).
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The Sisterly <Made in USA> Paperweights obliterate Bernkastel's green Leviathan creature after she failed to get Ange to cry and give up.
 
Yeah bros, Umineko's characters will be so strong that there's not even that much of characters in this wiki to make a match.

There will be like, 3 to 5 verses.
 
Probably been asked like 9 trillion times but what's up with the ''creator'' character? (he isnt a character but a state but yk)
 
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