What does transduality even do

[Zenkaibattery1]

I asked DonTalk in his message wall

He said it gives what the verse describes it as.

 

[Uniasha]

I asked DonTalk in his message wall
He said it gives what the verse describes it as.

i doubt that because the formless yin yang that wu kong possess for his future profile would have something like this

┬À Further, by the same token, perhaps we can consider this same concept of infinite combinations of Yin and Yang to be applied to the macrocosm as well. Here Yin and Yang could exist in infinite combinations of collective combinations; of matter, of planets, of worlds, of celestial bodies, of universes, of dimensions, etc.

 

[RicardoSama]

i think its just resistance to all attacks made by beings on a lower dimensional level than you

or

just immune to all attacks that aren't at a conceptual level

This makes sense ƒæì

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

It does nothing.

Okay, it doesn't do nothing. It makes you immune to the power of duality. So if a character is trying to use Duality against a transdual character, nothing will happen. But how many characters specifically use the concept of duality as an attack?

I would also say, if they are said to transcend a certain duality, like Life and Death, then they would be immune to attacks based in life and death.

The idea that it makes you resistance to all attacks, or immune to attacks at a conceptual level, is just conjecture and based on what exactly? If transduality gives a character these extra powers in-story, they should be listed as seperate powers. They shouldn't be applied to any Tom that's said to be transdual.

 

[RicardoSama]

It does nothing.

Okay, it doesn't do nothing. It makes you immune to the power of duality. So if a character is trying to use Duality against a transdual character, nothing will happen. But how many characters specifically use the concept of duality as an attack? This is a good point ƒæì I would also say, if they are said to transcend a certain duality, like Life and Death, then they would be immune to attacks based in life and death.

The idea that it makes you resistance to all attacks, or immune to attacks at a conceptual level, is just conjecture and based on what exactly? If transduality gives a character these extra powers in-story, they should be listed as seperate powers. They shouldn't be applied to any Tom that's said to be transdual.

 

[RicardoSama]

This is a good point

 

[Uniasha]

It does nothing.
Okay, it doesn't do nothing. It makes you immune to the power of duality. So if a character is trying to use Duality against a transdual character, nothing will happen. But how many characters specifically use the concept of duality as an attack?

I would also say, if they are said to transcend a certain duality, like Life and Death, then they would be immune to attacks based in life and death.

The idea that it makes you resistance to all attacks, or immune to attacks at a conceptual level, is just conjecture and based on what exactly? If transduality gives a character these extra powers in-story, they should be listed as seperate powers. They shouldn't be applied to any Tom that's said to be transdual.

having transduality pretty much gives a pseudo-resistance against any attacks of that certain duality

 

[RicardoSama]

Wait so for ex I have trans duality of Life and death, someone death hax. Cannot affect me because it am beyond and superior to this dual distinction?

 

[Agnaa]

Yeah.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Wait so for ex I have trans duality of Life and death, someone death hax. Cannot affect me because it am beyond and superior to this dual distinction?

I would say, you are immune up to the level of the death hax, shown in-story.

 

[RicardoSama]

Ok thx

 

[Udlmaster]

Transdualism and being transendent over all dualities means that any Truth value cannot truly be applied to you. Using the Daoist model, once you are either Transdual or Non-Dual you cannot even be named, as your named-self isn't the true you.

By being (Truly) Non-Dual you are outside of being inflicted dual concepts. For example, harmed and healed are a duality, a Non-Dual being wouldn't have either "value" (Let's say harmed is 1 and healed is 0), if a none non-dual being attacked such a person, their attacks would do nothing to them, as the attack is within the binary which the Non-dual being is outside of.

As for Transdual, it just depends on what logic system your using, as it can change the outcome, for example, you can have paraconsistent logic, or fuzzy logic or Many-Valued Logic which change the way the Transdual being functions.

 

[Uniasha]

Transdualism and being transendent over all dualities means that any Truth value cannot truly be applied to you. Using the Daoist model, once you are either Transdual or Non-Dual you cannot even be named, as your named-self isn't the true you.
By being (Truly) Non-Dual you are outside of being inflicted dual concepts. For example, harmed and healed are a duality, a Non-Dual being wouldn't have either "value" (Let's say harmed is 1 and healed is 0), if a none non-dual being attacked such a person, their attacks would do nothing to them, as the attack is within the binary which the Non-dual being is outside of.

As for Transdual, it just depends on what logic system your using, as it can change the outcome, for example, you can have paraconsistent logic, or fuzzy logic or Many-Valued Logic which change the way the Transdual being functions.

this ability is kind of broken

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

You can't assign daoist or mathematical principles to characters and abilities that don't subscribe to them, though.

So while that may be so for the character in their story, you can't apply that to third party. In one verse, water and fire are duals, but in this verse, they're just independent things.

 

[Uniasha]

You can't assign daoist or mathematical principles to characters and abilities that don't subscribe to them, though.
So while that may be so for the character in their story, you can't apply that to third party. In one verse, water and fire are duals, but in this verse, they're just independent things.

the ones that he said are for the characters that is from si you ji(journey to the west)

 

[Udlmaster]

You can't assign daoist or mathematical principles to characters and abilities that don't subscribe to them, though.
So while that may be so for the character in their story, you can't apply that to third party. In one verse, water and fire are duals, but in this verse, they're just independent things.

The Daoist model isn't me saying:

"Fire, Water, Earth, Metal and Wood are the 5 pieces of Yin and Yang"

I'm talking about their logic behind Transdualism, in fact, Daoism is where we get Transdualism all together.

 

[Uniasha]

true

 

[Uniasha]

You can't assign daoist or mathematical principles to characters and abilities that don't subscribe to them, though.
So while that may be so for the character in their story, you can't apply that to third party. In one verse, water and fire are duals, but in this verse, they're just independent things.

The Daoist model isn't me saying:
"Fire, Water, Earth, Metal and Wood are the 5 pieces of Yin and Yang"

I'm talking about their logic behind Transdualism, in fact, Daoism is where we get Transdualism all together.

but if transdualism involves yin aand yang it has another ability

 

[Udlmaster]

You can't assign daoist or mathematical principles to characters and abilities that don't subscribe to them, though.
So while that may be so for the character in their story, you can't apply that to third party. In one verse, water and fire are duals, but in this verse, they're just independent things.

The Daoist model isn't me saying:
"Fire, Water, Earth, Metal and Wood are the 5 pieces of Yin and Yang"

I'm talking about their logic behind Transdualism, in fact, Daoism is where we get Transdualism all together.

but if transdualism involves yin aand yang it has another ability

Yin and Yang aren't literal things, they're representations of complimentary dualities, with Tai-Yin and Tai-Yang representing Ultimate Dualism.

Involving Yin and Yang involves all Dualities inherently.

For example, if I involves Yin I involve all negative dualities (0s) and if I only involve Yang, then I involve all positive Dualities (1s), these make up all dualities, 1 and 0, binary.

 

[Uniasha]

You can't assign daoist or mathematical principles to characters and abilities that don't subscribe to them, though.
So while that may be so for the character in their story, you can't apply that to third party. In one verse, water and fire are duals, but in this verse, they're just independent things.

The Daoist model isn't me saying:
"Fire, Water, Earth, Metal and Wood are the 5 pieces of Yin and Yang"

I'm talking about their logic behind Transdualism, in fact, Daoism is where we get Transdualism all together.

but if transdualism involves yin aand yang it has another ability

Yin and Yang aren't literal things, they're representations of complimentary dualities, with Tai-Yin and Tai-Yang representing Ultimate Dualism.
Involving Yin and Yang involves all Dualities inherently.

For example, if I involves Yin I involve all negative dualities (0s) and if I only involve Yang, then I involve all positive Dualities (1s), these make up all dualities, 1 and 0, binary.

yeah but if you are only yin or only yang you would cease to exist because yang won't exist without yin and yin won't exist without yang

 

[Udlmaster]

yeah but if you are only yin or only yang you would cease to exist because yang won't exist without yin and yin won't exist without yang

Not really. Yin and Yang are separate "things". When Tai-Yin and Tai-Yang come together, they create Taiji.

Destroying the one side of all dualities would leave them all as single unities, despite what anime and TV says, they don't need each other to exist, just to keep the balance set by the Three Pure Ones.

 

[Uniasha]

yeah but if you are only yin or only yang you would cease to exist because yang won't exist without yin and yin won't exist without yang

Not really. Yin and Yang are separate "things". When Tai-Yin and Tai-Yang come together, they create Taiji.
Destroying the one side of all dualities would leave them all as single unities, despite what anime and TV says, they don't need each other to exist, just to keep the balance set by the Three Pure Ones.

are you sure they would not need each other to exist?