Nonduality/Transduality question

[Orioreeem]

This question really needs clarification.
Let's say a character has nonduality/transduality type 2 or 3 that gives him immunity but his verse doesn't have plot manipulation as a power. Can someone with plot manipulation interact with his nonduality/transduality?

 

[Frey_Starlight]

they would be immune unless plot manip like haxes just scales higher then the verse where the character had TD2/ND3 tbw

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

You need the TD/ND to be stated as the reason why plot hax failed

Or

Some elaborate explanation on plot being involved with a dualistic nature (cosmology, state of being, scaling, something)

Because according to how I read the TD/ND page + the past discussion threads. You have to prove the relationship between plot hax and the nature of TD/ND.

So, yes it would affect them unless proven otherwise

 

[Frey_Starlight]

You need the TD/ND to be stated as the reason why plot hax failed

Or

Some elaborate explanation on plot being involved with a dualistic nature (cosmology, state of being, scaling, something)

Because according to how I read the TD/ND page + the past discussion threads. You have to prove the relationship between plot hax and the nature of TD/ND.

So, yes it would affect them unless proven otherwise

would this logic work if its not plot manipulation but something like text manip or reality warp then? (ofc for non-smurf versions of the hax)

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

would this logic work if its not plot manipulation but something like text manip or reality warp then? (ofc for non-smurf versions of the hax)

Just replace plot manipulation with my explanation with another hax

This applies to all hax

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yes, unless fiction and non-fiction are an established duality, they are free from.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Yes, unless fiction and non-fiction are an established duality, they are free from.

Does this not run into issues on how metaphysical aspects are treated and how you need one to encompass the other to properly interact? Nonduality is still fundamentally an abstract power and something like acausality type 5 is treated to be immune to all other metaphysical aspects if they aren't shown to be able to affect it.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Does this not run into issues on how metaphysical aspects are treated and how you need one to encompass the other to properly interact? Nonduality is still fundamentally an abstract power and something like acausality type 5 is treated to be immune to all other metaphysical aspects if they aren't shown to be able to affect it.

And nonduality/transduality is about existing outside of classical logic. If anything every single metaphysical aspect should operate under framework of classical logic unless you say they're inherently illogical (well you can think of plot or information as some fundamental basis of reality without violating laws of logic). But I would need DTs input on this specific reasoning.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Does this not run into issues on how metaphysical aspects are treated and how you need one to encompass the other to properly interact? Nonduality is still fundamentally an abstract power and something like acausality type 5 is treated to be immune to all other metaphysical aspects if they aren't shown to be able to affect it.

It really is verse-specific. Plot and Non-Plot can be considered a duality, but that would depend on whether narrative elements even exist in the verse in the first place.

 

[Frey_Starlight]

Just replace plot manipulation with my explanation with another hax

This applies to all hax

but that would make no sense, if plot or any form of reality warp interacts with TD2 and ND3, is that even TD2 or ND3 tbw? that just seems like ND1. since anything above ND2 encompasses all logical dualities.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

but that would make no sense, if plot or any form of reality warp interacts with TD2 and ND3, is that even TD2 or ND3 tbw? that just seems like ND1. since anything above ND2 encompasses all logical dualities.

Yeah if its strictly only plot hax and therea no other dualities involved. Then yeah it would be type 1