what could counter plot hax except acausality type 5?

[Uniasha]

.

 

[RicardoSama]

I may be wrong but maybe Transduality

 

[Chariot190]

I bet some sort of 4th wall awareness could help.

 

[Wokistan]

Resistance

Depending on the degree of the plot, a lot of things.

 

[Uniasha]

i think upgraded wukong should counter this to some extent

 

[Planck69]

.....Why would he counter it?

 

[Uniasha]

"Yes," the ape replied. "They are the Buddhas, the Immortals and the Sages. They are free from the Wheel of Reincarnation. They are not born and they do not die. They are as eternal as Heaven and Earth, as the mountains and the rivers."

this text explains that the buddhas , immortals and sages alike are free from following the plot of the wheel of reincarnation which even effects the gods of heaven as a whole as the verse explains that nothing would last forever except for those that were beyond that

P.S(further on in the story the statement does not show any contradictions)

 

[Planck69]

That...isn't immunity to plot whatsoever. Even characters that go outside their story are still in their stories representation of an "outside". At best what you described is some form of Type 5 immortality and maybe some Acausality.

 

[Uniasha]

That...isn't immunity to plot whatsoever. Even characters that go outside their story are still in their stories representation of an "outside". At best what you described is some form of Type 5 immortality and maybe some Acausality.

they already have type 4 acausality and immortality type 5

and immortality type 5 was received by wu kong when he erased his name from hell's regristration book and he is still bound to the wheel of reincarnation and not outside of that said cycle

 

[Uniasha]

so...how to explain that?

 

[Planck69]

Another instance of Type 5 then. It isn't being outside the story in any way.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I remember some people saying not even Acausality can help. As Plot's beyond Causality.

Anyways. Wasn't Plot Manip a high-end reality warping? Can a resistance to RW at a far higher scale than the PM resist it?

 

[Planck69]

Nope, it's by nature different from standard Reality Warping. Plot-hax actually manipulates the narrative of the story while reality warping still works within it. Of course this depends on the specifics of the plot-hax in question but usually, resistance to RW doesn't help.

 

[Uniasha]

Another instance of Type 5 then. It isn't being outside the story in any way.

which instance of type 5?

 

[Planck69]

Being beyond life and death, stuff like that. There's no such thing as beyond the plot.

 

[Uniasha]

Being beyond life and death, stuff like that. There's no such thing as beyond the plot.

then how could 1 be unbounded to the concept of death still be bounded to the wheel of reincarnation when they technically can't die traditionally

 

[Planck69]

Them not being bound to this wheel doesn't mean that they're somehow beyond the story when said unbound state is literally in the story. They get Type 5 from that, little else.

 

[Darksmash]

Depends on the type of plot hax Most of the plot hax I have seen are usually hyperboles for high tier Reality Warping over certain structures. There is no such thing as literal plot manipulation.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Depends on the type of plot hax
Most of the plot hax I have seen are usually hyperboles for high tier Reality Warping over certain structures. There is no such thing as literal plot manipulation.

Hm... This is likely where I confuse it with "Plot Manip = High End RW"

Well. It make sense then.

 

[Uniasha]

Depends on the type of plot hax
Most of the plot hax I have seen are usually hyperboles for high tier Reality Warping over certain structures. There is no such thing as literal plot manipulation.

Hm... This is likely where I confuse it with "Plot Manip = High End RW"
Well. It make sense then.

so plot manipulation is just warping reality to make the preson follow what the manipulator wants?

 

[Planck69]

No, you're still manipulating the narrative "background" of sorts. It's not inherently superior but it's different from standard reality warping.

 

[Uniasha]

No, you're still manipulating the narrative "background" of sorts. It's not inherently superior but it's different from standard reality warping.

so tranduality type 2 and 3 won't work right?

 

[Planck69]

Not really if it's high-level enough.

 

[Uniasha]

maybe works on type 3 if the plot hax is that strong but it won't work on type 4

 

[YungManzi]

Plot manipulation is wanked over here.

 

[Uniasha]

Plot manipulation is wanked over here.

lel but in all seriousness plot hax varies from character to character

 

[Planck69]

maybe works on type 3 if the plot hax is that strong but it won't work on type 4

Plot-hax is weird with how it interacts with characters so I wouldn't be too quick to say that.

 

[Uniasha]

Type 4 (Plurality): A state of being which is qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of even the distinction between duality and transduality. Such characters will usually not obey the laws of normal logic at any level, and will obey completely different systems of logic altogether, up to and including those states which are beyond human comprehensio. A basic example of Plurality is characters whose fundamental nature operates under many-valued or certain kinds of non-classical logic, where many different values can exist that are not true or false, 0/1/2, or any dichotomies in between.

it wont work on type 4 unless it is shown to affect anyone with type 4

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

what about beings that are living narratives like ultra comic some scp? I mean technically they can give you direction to the plot wherever they want because they are your personal plot

 

[Everything12]

At that point, it's just who has the better Plot Manip based off feats and cosmology.

 

[Planck69]

it wont work on type 4 unless it is shown to affect anyone with type 4

If you can plot-hax across a setting with non-classical logic present then it's working just fine.

 

[Uniasha]

what about beings that are living narratives like ultra comic some scp? I mean technically they can give you direction to the plot wherever they want because they are your personal plot

but he just wouldn't affect anyone that exists on a reality that doesnt follow the same logical laws as his own so no

 

[Uniasha]

At that point, it's just who has the better Plot Manip based off feats and cosmology.

but has anyone plot haxxed a type 4 transduality on this wiki?

 

[Planck69]

Dunno

 

[First_Witch]

"Yes," the ape replied. "They are the Buddhas, the Immortals and the Sages. They are free from the Wheel of Reincarnation. They are not born and they do not die. They are as eternal as Heaven and Earth, as the mountains and the rivers."
this text explains that the buddhas , immortals and sages alike are free from following the plot of the wheel of reincarnation which even effects the gods of heaven as a whole as the verse explains that nothing would last forever except for those that were beyond that

P.S(further on in the story the statement does not show any contradictions)

No offense but trying to shove in random resistances from that is pure headcanon. The Wheel of reincarnation is not some overarching plot, but a part of buddhist/hinduist cosmology that simply says "If you die you not ded because living is suffering and yada yada".

Taking that statement literal, its Acausality Type 2, Immortality type 5.

As for your initial question: Resistance to Plot Manipulation

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Provided plot manipulation isn't a power in your own verse, maybe resistance to Law Manipulation?

 

[Uniasha]

"Yes," the ape replied. "They are the Buddhas, the Immortals and the Sages. They are free from the Wheel of Reincarnation. They are not born and they do not die. They are as eternal as Heaven and Earth, as the mountains and the rivers."
this text explains that the buddhas , immortals and sages alike are free from following the plot of the wheel of reincarnation which even effects the gods of heaven as a whole as the verse explains that nothing would last forever except for those that were beyond that

P.S(further on in the story the statement does not show any contradictions)

No offense but trying to shove in random resistances from that is pure headcanon. The Wheel of reincarnation is not some overarching plot, but a part of buddhist/hinduist cosmology that simply says "If you die you not ded because living is suffering and yada yada".
Taking that statement literal, its Acausality Type 2, Immortality type 5.

As for your initial question: Resistance to Plot Manipulation

this is taken from the novel not the buddhist cosmology and wukong would have type 4 acausality not type 2 further on in the story

 

[Everything12]

Never seen anyone say that before, Laws aren't treated on the same level as the Narrative, they are treated more like Concepts.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also honsezlry even type 4 Acausality should counter it unless they've shown capable of plot hazing type 4

 

[Planck69]

Why does he have Type 4 again?