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Weiss shatters?
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Weiss vs Narberal
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Apeironaxim
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can we get an AP value?
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No Gamma shatters, current Weiss' ice manip is able to shatter opponents rather than encase them in ice
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Baseline High 8-C (2 Tons) = Paladins who gets one shotted by V-3 Weiss Summon when it's only an arm, no body. V-5 Summon is stronger than V-3's, and Vernal still easily one shots it. Base Raven should be superior to Vernal and Qrow equals her. V-6 Weiss is shown to equal Qrow. So Weiss scales to Qrow who is superior to Vernal, who can one shot Weiss Summon, who can one shot baselines in a weaker form.Apeironaxim said:
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When has Weiss ever used that against human opponents? I've recalled she has only used it against Grimm... Which are from the video games and has gameplay mechanics going on...WeeklyBattles said:
Also, when has Weiss ever freezed her opponents just by pointing at them?
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She did that once and once only. And even then it was well into the fight.
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Not exactly, she's able to ride them sort of like a moving platform to bring her into the air, and she can use a repulsion glyph to launch herself, and forcefields would be able to block her lightning.DeathNoodles said:
During the fight against the Queen Lancer, would you like a video of it?
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Yes.WeeklyBattles said:
Apeironaxim
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again, what can Weiss do against Charm Person?
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When has Weiss ever used that against human opponents? I've recalled she has only used it against Grimm... Which are from the video games and has gameplay mechanics going on...
Also, when has Weiss ever freezed her opponents just by pointing at them?
https://youtu.be/byjDd-QJnzM?t=132
Not from the games, its from the show
Also, when has Weiss ever freezed her opponents just by pointing at them?
https://youtu.be/byjDd-QJnzM?t=132
Not from the games, its from the show
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That Arma Gigas summon has only started doing that once it has gotten close enough to the Queen Lancer though. I don't recall it doing that at larger distance, which Naberal can just teleport out of (as her teleportation can reach up to several hundred kilometres).WeeklyBattles said:
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Can you please cite this?WeeklyBattles said:
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It doesn't sound like an early move or even one she uses often. she uses it once against a large grim shattering its wings, it doesn't even fully encase said grimm. Again she only did after the fight has been going on for some time and the grim was growing weaker. (heck she targets the thinnest part of the grim as well) I know Im the op bla bla bla just saying there are some circumstances to this that make me doubt her freezing would fully work.The real cal howard said:
Apeironaxim
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Narberal charming her is far more likely to happen first
Especially because Weiss is human
Especially because Weiss is human
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Thu far she hasnt fought a human opponent while she had access to this abilityDeathNoodles said:
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Weiss (and most of RWBY characters really) have no resistance against Mind Manipulation (since hallucination-inducing abilities can affect them), so...Apeironaxim said:
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Can someone post a scan of her leading with mind manip? Because if she 100% of the time leads with mind manip then you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in RWBY she doesnt stomp that isnt tier 7
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Not a good enough reasoning to excuse Weiss from CIS against human or human-like opponents. There has to be either a demonstration of her using that against human opponents or an explicit statement that she would do that against human opponents. This isn't a bloodlusted match you know.WeeklyBattles said:
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She's been in one fight in the entire series and it was like her second/third move iirc
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After her opponent kept healing the giant skeleton dragon he summoned, she decided to focus on Khajit, and used Charm Person
Funny thing actually, she did this while fighting a necromancer/summoner, like Weiss, because the person summoning and supporting the Skeletal Dragons was easier and smarter to target than the summons
Funny thing actually, she did this while fighting a necromancer/summoner, like Weiss, because the person summoning and supporting the Skeletal Dragons was easier and smarter to target than the summons
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Then yeah this would likely be a stompThe pen or the sword said:
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Tbf she was against a necromancer that kept healing/summoning because she figure mind manipping to control the summoner would be easier.
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Yup, using the same logic of Weiss not using her freezing against an opponent she never faced, Gamma would lead with mind manip because its what she did in her one fight
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Except she didn't lead with it and instead chose to beat down the summon in her face until the summoner kept interfering.
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Weiss's summons are pretty strong, and Narberal would catch onto that real quick and decide to go for the summoner. Kinda similar situation to Khajit.
My point isn't that she leads with it, as in her first move, but it is an early move, and one she's likely to get off before the battle turns too hard in Weiss's favor
My point isn't that she leads with it, as in her first move, but it is an early move, and one she's likely to get off before the battle turns too hard in Weiss's favor
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In this key her summons are actually weaker than herself
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unless they are several times, like 4-5x weaker or more or something, that doesn't effect my point
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They are, Weiss in this key scales above people who scale above people who can oneshot them
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this doesn't change the fact that going for the summoner is a smarter idea than continuously fighting the summons
So unless this is a stomp somehow according to the revisions, i'm going say Narberal gets off Charm Person before Weiss gets too much momentum
So unless this is a stomp somehow according to the revisions, i'm going say Narberal gets off Charm Person before Weiss gets too much momentum
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It is, Weiss doesnt resist mind manip which Nab leads with in-character
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Weiss still seems to have an AP advantage, as well as can outnumber Narberal with her summons, and apparently a way to one-shot her
Why is this a stomp?
Why is this a stomp?
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Nab is much stronger than Entoma who is much stronger than Lakyus who is 3.74 tons
Weiss' scaling chain starts at baseline, 2 tons
Any advantage Weiss has is minimal at best. Nab can oneshot her summons, and the fact that Nab in-character leads with mind hax whereas Weiss' wincon is exclusively a late-game ability makes this match a stomp.
Weiss' scaling chain starts at baseline, 2 tons
Any advantage Weiss has is minimal at best. Nab can oneshot her summons, and the fact that Nab in-character leads with mind hax whereas Weiss' wincon is exclusively a late-game ability makes this match a stomp.
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Thats ... not a stomp. Summons still serve as distactions to split Nabe's focus, summons are stronger than the summoner in YGGDRASIL so a bunch of those attacking will definitely draw her attention, AP difference is minimal so it doesn't matter who has the negligible advantage, flight is somewhat countered by glyph platforms, Weiss has plenty of her own range, the Aura health bar means she can take more hits. The only real factor that puts this in either side's favor is Nabe reliably going for her wincon (which she does not lead with) sooner than Weiss does. How is this a stomp exactly?
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Read the new rules as to what a stomp is
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Also electricity bypasses aura so aura really wont help her here
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a conclusion doesn't seem to have been reached, from a quick look
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Ignoring that they never actually settled on a new definition, the most extreme definition of a stomp doesn't make this a stomp. Weiss has a way to win, Nabe has a way to win, neither go for it instantly but one does reliably go for it sooner with both being relatively even aside from that.
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