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Weiss Schnee vs Rinslet Laurefrost
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Just to know right away, what's the AP difference? I have the funny suspicion Weiss may have the advantage, but just to make sure.
Besides that, Rinslet has a rather big advantage at the onset because they'll start hundreds of meters away from each other. While Weiss has the range to affect her with glyphs, dust abilities and the movement advantage with glyphs to jump from and much better evade Rinslet's projectiles, Rinslet need only spend some more time and she can turn her arrows homing, have them explode into ice projectiles, has a like 3 or 4 moves with AoE, many of which freeze targets, and even a "toggle on or off" ability that makes anything hit by her attacks or spell frozen in "never melting ice". Not to mention she resist the two main elements she uses, Ice and Fire.
She even has Fenrir with her, who can absorb Ice to turn stronger and change in size, launch projectiles of ice and cold, and is resistant to even Absolute Zero.
I am tempted to say this may be a stomp.
Besides that, Rinslet has a rather big advantage at the onset because they'll start hundreds of meters away from each other. While Weiss has the range to affect her with glyphs, dust abilities and the movement advantage with glyphs to jump from and much better evade Rinslet's projectiles, Rinslet need only spend some more time and she can turn her arrows homing, have them explode into ice projectiles, has a like 3 or 4 moves with AoE, many of which freeze targets, and even a "toggle on or off" ability that makes anything hit by her attacks or spell frozen in "never melting ice". Not to mention she resist the two main elements she uses, Ice and Fire.
She even has Fenrir with her, who can absorb Ice to turn stronger and change in size, launch projectiles of ice and cold, and is resistant to even Absolute Zero.
I am tempted to say this may be a stomp.
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Weiss is baseline, so 2 tons
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Rinslet scales to Claire, who was calced at 3 tons. She can also take longer firing to shot even more powerful arrows and cast Field of Ice in a wide area to boost her power even more.
Now I can declare official stompage, though other opinions never hurt.
Now I can declare official stompage, though other opinions never hurt.
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I would like to have a debate on this two verse, especially RWBY, hope we have a good debate.
Now for my analysis, since the they are distance apart, I would say that at the start Rinslet would most likely chose her weapon at range while Weiss would try to close the distance seeing as she would assume that the former is not a close combat, though Weiss would most likely have trouble due to how many effect Rinslet has on the arrows to slow her down.
Though if Weiss do manage to get close Rinslet would change her Freezing Arrow to Wolf Form that would fend of Weiss while she supports Fenrir. Not to mention that Weiss Ice attack would simply strengthen Fenrir which is an enough problem as Rinslet has an AP and Durability advantage already.
Of course she could switch her elemental attacks, though this does not discount that for her to switch her strategy she would have already enhance Rinslet or Fenrir already greater AP and Durability.
I have not yet make a conclusion yet, just my thought of how the start of the battle be. Of course I am not well verse on the Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance as much so I would appreciated more information on Rinslet styles, tactics and among other things that have her profiles does not mention.
Now for my analysis, since the they are distance apart, I would say that at the start Rinslet would most likely chose her weapon at range while Weiss would try to close the distance seeing as she would assume that the former is not a close combat, though Weiss would most likely have trouble due to how many effect Rinslet has on the arrows to slow her down.
Though if Weiss do manage to get close Rinslet would change her Freezing Arrow to Wolf Form that would fend of Weiss while she supports Fenrir. Not to mention that Weiss Ice attack would simply strengthen Fenrir which is an enough problem as Rinslet has an AP and Durability advantage already.
Of course she could switch her elemental attacks, though this does not discount that for her to switch her strategy she would have already enhance Rinslet or Fenrir already greater AP and Durability.
I have not yet make a conclusion yet, just my thought of how the start of the battle be. Of course I am not well verse on the Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance as much so I would appreciated more information on Rinslet styles, tactics and among other things that have her profiles does not mention.
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I feel like her choosing to summon first would be not a good option as Rinslet is most likely better at it than her and she is said be the fastest at summoning and then equip her waffe before her opponents can despite moving first, which is not a good thing for Weiss that just learn to summon and her summons are manual compare to Fenrir is sentient(I would assume). She would be snipe first or being attack by Fenrir if she tries.
And I would think that Weiss would choose to go close quarters as she see her opponent holding a bow.
And I would think that Weiss would choose to go close quarters as she see her opponent holding a bow.
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Yes? I have read already read that in the profile, though my argument is that Weiss might not be able to summon quick enough as Rinslet would snipe with her Freezing Arrow or just summon Fenrir and command it to attack Weiss. And with her AP advantage that is not a good thing for Weiss.Huesito88 said:
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Yes? I have read already read that in the profile, though my argument is that Weiss might not be able to summon quick enough as Rinslet would snipe with her Freezing Arrow or just summon Fenrir and command it to attack Weiss. And with her AP advantage that is not a good thing for Weiss.
Not quick enough? Weiss can amp her speed.
Not quick enough? Weiss can amp her speed.
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Not quick enough? Weiss can amp her speed.
Although how would that speed up her summoning? her amp merely speed up her action, her summon would still require time to come out not to mention the boost has a short duration, claiming it does effect the summon meant she could even add effect like fire, ice onto her summon which she has not shown too yet. and the battle against Vernal shown that it is bad idea to summon in mid battle and she would most likely not try again.
Also wouldn't she simply use it to get close and strike Rinslet? I don't see a valid reason for her to summon first against an opponent that would most likely prevent her from doing so, not to mention that her opponent merely has a long range weapon from her view.
Although how would that speed up her summoning? her amp merely speed up her action, her summon would still require time to come out not to mention the boost has a short duration, claiming it does effect the summon meant she could even add effect like fire, ice onto her summon which she has not shown too yet. and the battle against Vernal shown that it is bad idea to summon in mid battle and she would most likely not try again.
Also wouldn't she simply use it to get close and strike Rinslet? I don't see a valid reason for her to summon first against an opponent that would most likely prevent her from doing so, not to mention that her opponent merely has a long range weapon from her view.
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Hue, this remains a stomp. Weiss has literally no reason to amp her speed at the start of the match and also no reason to use summons right off the bat.
Rinslet has a good heck ton of AoE attacks, 3 times the AP advantage, the range advantage, can make all of her attacks freeze on touch with everlasting ice and a familiar that will eat all of her attacks from Weiss prefered element to grow stronger, even more projectiles from him and he can also freeze.
Rinslet has a good heck ton of AoE attacks, 3 times the AP advantage, the range advantage, can make all of her attacks freeze on touch with everlasting ice and a familiar that will eat all of her attacks from Weiss prefered element to grow stronger, even more projectiles from him and he can also freeze.
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x3 AP advantage doesn't make a stomp by itself
What's Weiss' usual battle tactics?
What's Weiss' usual battle tactics?
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This is a stomp yes
GoldenScorpions
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Disagreed. How is this a stomp?
Rinslet only has a x1.56 AP advantage over Weiss, Weiss has access to multiple elements, and Rinslet is weak in melee. Rinslet can't have both the bow and the wolf at the same time. (Rinslet scales to a 3.12 Ton feat, and Weiss scales to 2 Tons)
Rinslet only has a x1.56 AP advantage over Weiss, Weiss has access to multiple elements, and Rinslet is weak in melee. Rinslet can't have both the bow and the wolf at the same time. (Rinslet scales to a 3.12 Ton feat, and Weiss scales to 2 Tons)
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The 3.12 ton TNT feat(?)GoldenScorpions said:
GoldenScorpions
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Yes, that's the one. The 3rd result is the one that was kept.
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Uh... We literally see Scarlet being summoned and used in the first chapter when Tsundere Twintail number something was trying to get the sealed spirit in the forest. This while she's still brandishing her whip weapon. There are likely other instances I am forgetting.
And AP was the least of reasons. They still start at a distance advantage for Rinslet, Rinslet can still shot many arrows easily and at a quick pace, or turn the arrows into homing, or use other AoE options. All this while freezing Weiss over if even one hits, which Weiss doesn't resist, and resisting the 2 elements Weiss uses the most.
And AP was the least of reasons. They still start at a distance advantage for Rinslet, Rinslet can still shot many arrows easily and at a quick pace, or turn the arrows into homing, or use other AoE options. All this while freezing Weiss over if even one hits, which Weiss doesn't resist, and resisting the 2 elements Weiss uses the most.
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But Weiss is no less smart than Rinslet, is more agile, and has a better forcefield. While homing attacks are a powerful asset in Rinslet's arsenal, I find it hard for Weiss to be unable to deal with them; after all, she's more versatile than Rinslet.
Why is "stomp" so commonly thrown around at every damn opportunity? It's not like Weiss can't do anything. It's not like she can't use summons, or stat amp, or run around to evade attacks, or use her own ranged attacks, or use her aura/hard light dust to protect herself, etc, etc.
A stomp is when Character B can literally do nothing against Character A in response. Weiss can clearly respond to Rinslet's attacks.
Why is "stomp" so commonly thrown around at every damn opportunity? It's not like Weiss can't do anything. It's not like she can't use summons, or stat amp, or run around to evade attacks, or use her own ranged attacks, or use her aura/hard light dust to protect herself, etc, etc.
A stomp is when Character B can literally do nothing against Character A in response. Weiss can clearly respond to Rinslet's attacks.
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No, you aren't understanding. Rinslet has to touch her once with any attack and she's instant frozen with no chance of escape, and Aura doesn't shield her from that last I saw. The same Rinslet that can turn normal arrows into a bunch of needles, shot more than one, turn her arrows into homing, and has like 2-3 other AoE options with this same ability.
Weiss would need to start straight away with speed amps and evade all of these potential options. Rinslet can still also invoke a Wall of Ice, which with another spell she can also explode into a bunch of ice needles. And since both count as spells, they would also encase Weiss in nevermelting ice if she touches them, and she doesn't know any of this.
Weiss would need to start straight away with speed amps and evade all of these potential options. Rinslet can still also invoke a Wall of Ice, which with another spell she can also explode into a bunch of ice needles. And since both count as spells, they would also encase Weiss in nevermelting ice if she touches them, and she doesn't know any of this.
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I think that Weiss could not have the time to do her summon, simply because of Rinslet being considered faster at equipping, but that would take account that Rinslet is being extremely calculative and not allow her opponent to do anything. Would she actually allow Weiss to summon reasons because of her pride and it is dishonourable if she simply snipes her during casting?
From what I found, she intercepts her opponents after they make the first move so that it would be considered as "self-defence" as she does not want to cause a big commotion.
But if its what she would be considered a duel, would she simply allow it due to her pride? and consider that Weiss is basically a type of opponent that could give her trouble albeit temporarily with her speed amplification.
I don't really know about Rinslet that much, but I think that personality can actually change the outcome in this battle.
Also how much is the distance between each other?
From what I found, she intercepts her opponents after they make the first move so that it would be considered as "self-defence" as she does not want to cause a big commotion.
But if its what she would be considered a duel, would she simply allow it due to her pride? and consider that Weiss is basically a type of opponent that could give her trouble albeit temporarily with her speed amplification.
I don't really know about Rinslet that much, but I think that personality can actually change the outcome in this battle.
Also how much is the distance between each other?
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I think a far more starting distance is suitable, enough for Weiss to not simply overwhelm Rinslet or vice versa
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OP never specified, so it's the maximum range that isn't farther than 4 kilometers by default. Meaning hundreds of meters away.
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Problem is: Rinslet is more willing to spam danmaku at a distance than Weiss is. And while Weiss is much better in CQC "to our surprise" Weiss is not quite resistant to ice so she is subject to one-touch.1v1 Debater said:
So which distance is better? Or we can discuss whether Mr. Freeze can fight Weiss or Rinslet with/without speed equalisation already.
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What 1v1 Debater said about Rinslet's personality is actually quite spot-on. Rinslet rarely attacks first, even on duels, both because of her upbringing and attitude, but also because she still has to take aim and usually does a basic analysis of her opponent before striking.
tl;dr, Rinslet would start moving only after Weiss starts moving/casting
tl;dr, Rinslet would start moving only after Weiss starts moving/casting
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My perspective remains the same. We are talking about her needing to get close and actually hit her enough times, versus... Rinslet hitting with anything once. Which Weiss still has no clue on.
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