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Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!
Da3ggman
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Fair enough. By the way, is this going by pure talent in martial arts or by how many they know?
Da3ggman
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Doesn't DC Ares know every martial arts in the infinite Multiverse? Would he be at the top of the list?
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Doesn't he also get his shit kicked in by someone who doesn't know that?
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Primary the first.
azontr
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Anyway, I made a skill list for "Gabimaru The Hollow" below. It's not done yet, I'll probably add more as I keep rereading.
- Inherited the title of "Gabimaru The Hollow at a young age, which is the title given to the strongest Shinobi in Iwagakure village, possessing talent that put him far above any Iwagakure Shinobi. Note that Iwagakure Shinobi are trained in how to kill from birth, and only the best of the best will survive the training, with Gabimaru having been training since he was a baby.
- Is a master of prediction, spacing and positioning, and can easily skill stomp several Iwagakure Shinobi.
- Can see through a Transformation Jutsu that alters one's voice and musculature.
- Can read several dozen steps ahead into a battle, and can decipher his opponent's condition just from their stance
- Can instinctively contort his body to dodge attacks coming from his blind spots, and his Ninja training has been drilled into him so much he can fight without thinking
- While his hands were bound, he effortlessly skewered a Warrior Monk who'd mastered over 100 weapons and killed several skilled Samurai with his own weapons without being hit once, calling it a "waste of time".
- Caught dozens of arrows and launched them back perfectly at the people who'd shot them at him while his vision was obscured both by pitch darkness and liquid he'd thrown
- His attacks are considered to be flawless by Shinobi like Shija, who is so familiar with Gabimaru's fighting style she can read his thoughts.
- Is capable of, with sheer skill, contend with one of the Lord Tensen, who have trained in Tao for over 1000 years. Tao allows someone to read the flow of one's life force and predict their movements, and Gabimaru can contend with one of the most proficient users of this precognition without having unlocked Tao himself, simply with H2H skill.
- Is comparable to if not stronger than Shugen, who absorbs and processes information like no other, and can fight with such precision that he can copy fighting styles to the point it seems as if the person he is copying possessed him.
- Instantly became able to use Tao from a brief explanation, being compared to one of the Lord Tensen in his proficiency despite them having trained over 1000 years in Tao
- Can contend with both Shugen and Rien at the same time, with Rien having Tao mastery and future sight incomparable to any of the Lord Tensen, and has grasped the truths of the physical world and the only thing she hasn't grasped is the higher-plane
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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How's my fav thread doing?
We still lively to this day? Das crazy.
We still lively to this day? Das crazy.
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Stir shit up
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We live but at what cost?
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Make some Ikki matches. Do it rn. I dare you.
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Idk about that....wait ikki not in the list?
You do it, no balls.
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No
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No balls it is then.
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Never made a vs thread before. However, if you gonna participate. . . I might just do it
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That wasn't meant for you
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No promises, im retired after all.
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Good enough for me! Gimme a bit.
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Thats what being ready to burn the earth down looks like.
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Cry about it, but it makes sense. Daddy's back.
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He definitely is a dad because he'll be gone in two weeks tops.
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As long as cigarettes need buying the kids can keep crying.
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Im stealing that. Do one for alcohol while youre at it as well.
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See, shmooply knows what's up.
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Lemme read up to see if there's anything interesting on ikki to debate on tho.
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Do you NEED to make a list tho? Does everybody just forget the list i've already made and put on the profiles? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Firephoenixearl/Ikki_Kurogane_feat_list
Sure it's not complete but that's a pretty good start if yo want to argue for ikki.
Also i ain't gonna lie that Kouki guy in 3rd spot looking mad fun. Lemme make some arguments real quick, since im mad bored.
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Ok let's take Kouki's argument 1 by 1 here:
This is fighting other people and as i've said there's a lot of things that go into a fight so it's not as easy and black and white to discuss. So this is just saying he was a good fighter as a kid which well doesn't really hold much value cus we're already judging him at peak, but ikki was solo-ing sword schools as a kid. So idk, just leave this point out. Doesn't say much for either side.
Here come the skill comparisons. I've said this before, idk if people have forgot by now, but when you're arguing about another character being similar in skill or even worse you can't take direct feats from them. To explain what i mean. If im crazy good at karate and boxing, im technically more skilled than X who's mid level with a sword, but it doesn't mean that i could perform the things X does with a sword. Basically when you're doing equivalences you either take the feats from the actual character or from the character you're trying to scale above, not both. Same reason we only took Ikki's feats when arguing Edelweiss as the most skilled character. So gotta make a choice here.
Now the first one i am not sure how that's skill rather than endurance. Like ikki could keep peak performance even after weeks of fighting while being poisoned and drugged, but that ain't exactly skill per se, but that that as you will.
Unconscious fighting, ikki has done that. Even performed some of his hardest techniques AND copied techniques way beyond his league while unconscious so blow for blow there.
The imperceptible part is worded a bit weirdly but from what im seeing it's just Trackless Step but for just the sword, cus like even the explanation for the weakness of the technique is the similar. Ikki does that for his entire body AND counters it.
Ikki's moves have fooled actual mind and electrical signal reading and he has prediction way above what you mentioned for mother, like completely outclassing that shit.
>4) Perceived countless bullet that were flying his way, which he softly grazed the bullets with the flat side of his holy sword and changed only their trajectory. He splendidly diverted the trajectories of all the slug bullets to avoid the people he was protecting behind him and gouged another spots while also changing the bullets trajectory to hit his enemies that were surrounding him, he also reflected back dozens of lasers (which in principle fulfill the laser dodging requirement) while doing that and this was in a severely weakened state where he initially was having even troubles with railguns speed.
Ikki literally did the same feat except he did that with his back turned, using just his hearing (hearing the gunshots and calculating the position of each bullet, their speed, their angle) without even particularly paying attention to the bullets themselves (he was thinking about how he was gonna introduce himself to his father in law). None of that "sinking to the bottom of the lake stuff" it was as casual as casual gets. And if this was more about the parrying stuff. Ikki was once fighting 3 homing bullets, he deduced the weakness of the bullets, calculated the exact energy each bullet had (kinetic energy) and then parried them using the same exact force to make them stop moving. So yeah i'd say Ikki severely outclasses here. But regardless the parrying from Kouki's side isn't that impressive cus as he said the bullets were fairly slow in comparison.
Unquantifiable, similar to ikki developing decades every instant. Like yeah it's there but can't make much out of it.
Now in calculation skills i won't even go into that cus Shizuku outclasses her so badly it's not even worth bringing up and Ikki is above shizuku. On the master level stuff we run into 2 issues. 1 which i mentioned before being it's a fight there's a lot that goes into a fight so it's better to take specific feats from the fight rather than the fight itself (example i always say Ikki did X Y and Z to beat Stella, i don't say "Ikki beat a literal walking nuke that he had close to no means of even harming her due to the difference in stats"). So yeah if he did anything cool specifically bring that up otherwise can't compare it as well.
And 2. You're sorta scaling him off of her and her off of master stuff which is weird scaling that i've mention why it's not exactly correct to bring up. Stick to feats and only choose 1 character to argue for don't scale off of everyone cus i've explained why the scaling logic fails.
That's endurance not skill. And fighting armies is again a fight not a direct skill feat, he could be stat stomping those mfs for all we know, or they could be actual garbage at fighting, or etc etc etc. Can't say it was skill cus it's a fight, it takes a lot of factors into account.
Now let's wait
This is fighting other people and as i've said there's a lot of things that go into a fight so it's not as easy and black and white to discuss. So this is just saying he was a good fighter as a kid which well doesn't really hold much value cus we're already judging him at peak, but ikki was solo-ing sword schools as a kid. So idk, just leave this point out. Doesn't say much for either side.
Here come the skill comparisons. I've said this before, idk if people have forgot by now, but when you're arguing about another character being similar in skill or even worse you can't take direct feats from them. To explain what i mean. If im crazy good at karate and boxing, im technically more skilled than X who's mid level with a sword, but it doesn't mean that i could perform the things X does with a sword. Basically when you're doing equivalences you either take the feats from the actual character or from the character you're trying to scale above, not both. Same reason we only took Ikki's feats when arguing Edelweiss as the most skilled character. So gotta make a choice here.
Now the first one i am not sure how that's skill rather than endurance. Like ikki could keep peak performance even after weeks of fighting while being poisoned and drugged, but that ain't exactly skill per se, but that that as you will.
Unconscious fighting, ikki has done that. Even performed some of his hardest techniques AND copied techniques way beyond his league while unconscious so blow for blow there.
The imperceptible part is worded a bit weirdly but from what im seeing it's just Trackless Step but for just the sword, cus like even the explanation for the weakness of the technique is the similar. Ikki does that for his entire body AND counters it.
Ikki's moves have fooled actual mind and electrical signal reading and he has prediction way above what you mentioned for mother, like completely outclassing that shit.
>4) Perceived countless bullet that were flying his way, which he softly grazed the bullets with the flat side of his holy sword and changed only their trajectory. He splendidly diverted the trajectories of all the slug bullets to avoid the people he was protecting behind him and gouged another spots while also changing the bullets trajectory to hit his enemies that were surrounding him, he also reflected back dozens of lasers (which in principle fulfill the laser dodging requirement) while doing that and this was in a severely weakened state where he initially was having even troubles with railguns speed.
Ikki literally did the same feat except he did that with his back turned, using just his hearing (hearing the gunshots and calculating the position of each bullet, their speed, their angle) without even particularly paying attention to the bullets themselves (he was thinking about how he was gonna introduce himself to his father in law). None of that "sinking to the bottom of the lake stuff" it was as casual as casual gets. And if this was more about the parrying stuff. Ikki was once fighting 3 homing bullets, he deduced the weakness of the bullets, calculated the exact energy each bullet had (kinetic energy) and then parried them using the same exact force to make them stop moving. So yeah i'd say Ikki severely outclasses here. But regardless the parrying from Kouki's side isn't that impressive cus as he said the bullets were fairly slow in comparison.
Unquantifiable, similar to ikki developing decades every instant. Like yeah it's there but can't make much out of it.
Now in calculation skills i won't even go into that cus Shizuku outclasses her so badly it's not even worth bringing up and Ikki is above shizuku. On the master level stuff we run into 2 issues. 1 which i mentioned before being it's a fight there's a lot that goes into a fight so it's better to take specific feats from the fight rather than the fight itself (example i always say Ikki did X Y and Z to beat Stella, i don't say "Ikki beat a literal walking nuke that he had close to no means of even harming her due to the difference in stats"). So yeah if he did anything cool specifically bring that up otherwise can't compare it as well.
And 2. You're sorta scaling him off of her and her off of master stuff which is weird scaling that i've mention why it's not exactly correct to bring up. Stick to feats and only choose 1 character to argue for don't scale off of everyone cus i've explained why the scaling logic fails.
That's endurance not skill. And fighting armies is again a fight not a direct skill feat, he could be stat stomping those mfs for all we know, or they could be actual garbage at fighting, or etc etc etc. Can't say it was skill cus it's a fight, it takes a lot of factors into account.
Now let's wait
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