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Glad I saw this in time. Sad day when creating a universe ain't uni anymore. Reopening.
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Because this went under my radar. Probably on purpose tbh.why is this reopend?
We’ve waited for 3 Hoursat least wait for cals arguements
Cal should have posted their arguments right when they opened the thread again.and? have patience smfh
New evidence implies I need new material to support my argument as opposed to just debunking yours.Since you reopened the thread, I am assuming you had some new evidence to show?
This was already answered. The "universe" stuff comes from an European website which didn't even get its facts straight in the same sentence (stating that Black Jewel only warped the basement, when it warped the entire castle). If the information is wrong, we dismiss such secondary sources. The primary sources (game and manual) don't have any mention of any universe.I don't understand how one can literally be told the only references we have as to the size of these worlds is "universe" and think "well I don't believe it because look at all these weird properties of this suppoed universe" like??? That doesn't debunk it being a universe?
That comment sincerely expresses a bad state of mind.And btw, I got permission from Cal to post this. So you can try and delete this again if you want, though I wouldn't advice it.
You've decided I have a vendetta against a series I've been playing since I was a child because I don't agree it's universal lmao. If you wanna debate me hit me up on Discord and we can.Seol, I've seen plenty of your comments on Mario and NONE of them look like they're trying to make the site more accurate at all and it seems like a massive vendetta against the series. And you've done this same thing with series like Earthbound. This is nothing new.
Also come on now. "You guys are just wanking hurr durr", I mean there's 1-A arguments for Mario and literally no one here argues those. But you know, gotta stop the wank.
Fully agreed. Warhammer Fantasy has a server evenI’m sorry but this is being blown vastly out of proportion, there is no conspiracy to downplay Mario by absurd degrees. Those staff members simply convened in private to discuss the feats. It’s no different from Verse supporters creating Discord servers to organize future upgrades, something that exists for even Mario supporters.
It’s time to conclude this thread, nothing productive can come from this fire.
If I wanted to prepare a 2-C Kirby upgrade with people I could call whoever the heck I feel like, not just to help but to be there, regardless of bias or skepticism, it wouldn't matter because at the end the real CRT would be shown to everyone and need to be accurate to be accepted. This is personal freedom, not scheming.That still doesn't explain why staff on a neutral point of view over the subject weren't contacted and this was suspiciously rushed to get the changes accepted and applied.
It's a small contradiction, but when you are using something from a website as a fact, then these small contradictions matter because they tell you that the website is not written in a fact-based manner. And moreover, when the only mention of "universe" is coming from that questionable source, which is unfounded in the canon source and the manual, then that's not admissible. Moreover, the game goes to show that a single consistent universe doesn't exist. Every stage has its own different background and sky.Still don't see how saying "Wario's basement" still isn't technically true to the castle being turned into the world. Hell, even that's inconsistent as other offical sources says Black Jewel changed Wario's World into a new world.
Medeus, this is not how it works. You do know that the standards had to be approved by several staff members, including me? So I know about them just as much as anyone. You can't claim to be an expert and expect other people to follow your word on it even if you're wrong, just because you wrote something that was approved by others.And I was one of the people who wrote the blue prints for DT's rules on pocket dimension feats, so excluding DontTalkDT himself, I'd be considered one of the go to people for acknowledging the policies.
Yes, and Wario's world can simply mean his castle, or planet, or anything. I have addressed this earlier. But this again shows that the information present in the website is not completely fact-based. Manual > Europen website of a Japanese game.And again, even this evidence you use has other sources claiming it was Wario's World as a whole
Very true. But the more worlds you claim, the more evidence you need. Something that isn't present here.Separate worlds doesn't mean it still can't be a universe also.
Yes. But the statement implies that only the basement was transformed. If you claim a source to be accurate and fact-based enough that you are willing to use information from it, then you can't say "even if it is not accurate, it doesn't contradict anything". If I destroy the whole planet and a news website claims that I destroyed all of America, it isn't wrong. But it isn't accurate source of information that you can use to cite in your school project. A questionable claim coming from a source (European website of a Japanese game) that is unfounded in the canon source (game) and secondary canon source (official game manual), is not something we take at face value.But it isn't a contradiction. The basement is part of the castle.
In fairness, a universe can have many different skies and backgrounds. Each building in the hub could send you to a different planet or timezone to explain this; Naturally, the sky on Earth and the sky on Mars will look different, and the sky on a faraway planet even more so, yet they're still within one single consistent universe. (And different sky backgrounds in Mario is nothing new, such as how some worlds in SMB took place at night, and Super Mario 3D Land/World are even better examples of this).Moreover, the game goes to show that a single consistent universe doesn't exist. Every stage has its own different background and sky.