Warhammer 40k Primarch Tiers

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Honestly though, almost every non-imperial major foe in imperial stories can get hit pretty bad with the PIS stick. If Ka'bandha was able to fight pretty evenly against Sanguinius (which is the most important event he was involved in), being killed by regular marines seems to be far more of the low showing, here. Also, which events in particular are you referring to in which he's murdered by regular marines? I remember him fighting regular marines, but only ever being killed by heroes/lots of Grey Knights/the Sanguinor. Regular marines are almost never able to even take down regular Greater Daemons, who traditionally massacre them.

I again bring up the Cato Sicarius example (Sicarius vs what is likely a MSS to Galaxy buster), which is not intended to make the foe seem weak, but be a showing of heroism for a main character (again, almost always, if not always, in imperial stories).

I'm totally cool with the "At most", but I am still very much opposed to writing off the feat entirely due to lower showings, almost all of which come from stories meant to make the imperial forces look good. Especially since the Horus Heresy series is supposed to be from a more unbiased perspective than say random codex entries for specific armies.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That said, Raven, would you too be alright with "At least 5-B, probably 4-B at most" or "At least 5-B, at most 4-B"? Something along those lines? I do feel it is the best compromise, as it acknowledges the possibility, but treats it as just that; a possibility.

 

[RavenSupreme]

Alright. Instead of debating your points and making this longer as it already is ( we sure have discussed a long time) I will just give my conclusion for the profile

What i can settle on - since you speak of low ends and high ends is

" at least 5c (greater demon comparison) maybe up to at most low 4b(Sanguinius managed to inflict an infinitesimal crack on a chaos possessed Horus. However other sources and feats question this tier)

this is why the "note" should stay. so people see we cover everything

And every character who this might get scaled to get this description. Not just a reference "should be comparable to sanguinius) --- That said : "maybe" should be added to the attack potency chart since it's very straightforward and everyone can understand it

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yes, we have. lol

I agree the note should stay, and I can make the changes, now. Though I don't think we have a low 4-B.

 

[RavenSupreme]

well i think in this case it might be helpful to add it, since the SS tier covers such a ridicoulus range.

took us just a week to settle on something

we should go into world politics

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It probably would be, though that's definitely a major wiki-wide matter.

We would be the best at solving major conflicts in a (relatively) timely manner.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Anyway, the stats have been changed with the second half now reading "Probably up to 4-B at most" and with the note slightly modified to read

Due to the varying levels of power the Primarchs have been displayed at and the inconsistency among showings and versions of lore, this profile accounts for the Primarchs' average showings while also the possibility of their highest showings.

 

[RavenSupreme]

the description is not changed though. this was actually the reason why i settled on the tier

"(Sanguinius managed to inflict an infinitesimal crack on a chaos possessed Horus. However other sources and feats question this tier)"

can you add that there too?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

You mean for Sanguinius' page? Whoops. I missed that. Let me fix it.

 

[RavenSupreme]

no actually for every page who benefits from the tier. a simple "comparable to sanguinius" will not cause people to look the reasoning up


édit: i will open a thread for solving the crisis in middle east and i expect us to come to a conclusion until tuesday

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Gotcha.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

There. That should do it.

I'm sure that we'll be able to solve that problem, lickity split. lol

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

This also makes me realize that Horus should probably get a page soon considering how many pages reference him.

 

[RavenSupreme]

ehm im sorry but its still not completely correct. we said we will cover both - low end and high end.

that means low end is moon level, going by the lore

 

[RavenSupreme]

oh wow and you are right. no horus page. yeha that should be added for sure

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I had planet level there because the difference between moon level is relatively small, though that would likely be closer to small planet level, actually. However, I can change it to moon level. Or would "Small Planet" be more appropriate?

 

[RavenSupreme]

i think moon level should be our go to. we so cover literally every possibility ever made in the lore

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

There. I think that should do it.

 

[RavenSupreme]

weve done it !

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Huzzah! Should we close the thread now that it's fulfilled its purpose?

Also, I should really get on that Horus profile, soon.

 

[RavenSupreme]

yeha i think "concluded" should be a reasonable approach for the thread. and horus definetly needs his page. actually i am thinking that even more characters need their pages. dante, mephiston, lucius...all the cool dudes

and ofc. Hlaine "mad" Larkin

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Oh definitely. I plan on making pages for a lot more characters, and hopefully others will do the same.

Anyway, I will close the thread, now.