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Pls, for your own worth, just say Leona, it sounds too weird
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Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)
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I strongly disagree with @Therefir's opinion. Not only is he quite rude about others' positions, calling them "shit" in other threads, but also openly supports accusations against Tokyo Ghoul supporters that they are lying and manipulative. Although I believe a moderator should remain impartial until they've heard both sides. He also supports those who essentially invalidate their votes.
Kaneki's prior knowledge doesn't make this match unfair. This is a fairly common condition, and unlike matches with Makima, it doesn't impose any restrictions on characters. The fight was close and fair. This is evidenced by the score [16-27-0] and the fact that Nik's RVR response received around 10 upvotes, including people who voted for Chisaki and people who weren't involved in the match at all.
Ebihara's position doesn't inspire any confidence, just like Anonymous's upvote. If someone votes for a character even after the other side has presented all their arguments, and then calls the match a stomp, their intentions are insincere from the start. Either they voted for the character knowing they would be stomped, or they've conveniently changed their position.
The match against Post-Rose isn't considered a stomp at least because eight people are still convinced that Chisaki's skills are superior and he can touch Kaneki and kill him with his spikes. The very fact that in the first match, the position "Kaneki can't touch Chisaki without dying" isn't considered a stomp, but merely a good advantage, while in the second round, the position "Kaneki won't let anyone touch him thanks to his skills" is considered a stomp, speaks only of double standards and bias.
The first match could very well be removed because its main takes were refuted in the third match, and 26 people agreed with this.
Kaneki's prior knowledge doesn't make this match unfair. This is a fairly common condition, and unlike matches with Makima, it doesn't impose any restrictions on characters. The fight was close and fair. This is evidenced by the score [16-27-0] and the fact that Nik's RVR response received around 10 upvotes, including people who voted for Chisaki and people who weren't involved in the match at all.
Ebihara's position doesn't inspire any confidence, just like Anonymous's upvote. If someone votes for a character even after the other side has presented all their arguments, and then calls the match a stomp, their intentions are insincere from the start. Either they voted for the character knowing they would be stomped, or they've conveniently changed their position.
The match against Post-Rose isn't considered a stomp at least because eight people are still convinced that Chisaki's skills are superior and he can touch Kaneki and kill him with his spikes. The very fact that in the first match, the position "Kaneki can't touch Chisaki without dying" isn't considered a stomp, but merely a good advantage, while in the second round, the position "Kaneki won't let anyone touch him thanks to his skills" is considered a stomp, speaks only of double standards and bias.
The first match could very well be removed because its main takes were refuted in the third match, and 26 people agreed with this.
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Kinda hypocritical when this is you every single thread here, here, here and even right now here and here repeatedly bashing the other party and using false accusations against them anytime they remotely question you
Close and fair because you believe it is or its close and fair because the character you wanted to win won with a ridiculous win con? You can't be arguing this if said arguments was about him being untouchable with skill gap, blitz, RE AD, instinctive reactions (funny enough the same arguments that I used in the original match. The same arguments you refuted as nonsense)
This argument doesn't work if the other side purposely hide arguments in order to make the match closer until revealed with a vastly inferior Kaneki being an untouchable skill god with instinctive reactions and blitz amp avoiding spikes while being "resistant" to decon. Every single thing you said here is absurd considering you switch back and forth which argument fits your agenda better. You gotta pick one. Is my arguments for why the original match wasnt a stomp "nonsense" or not? You quite literally FRA my exact arguments, my exact arguments that you called nonsense.
Like brother theres an entire essay here showing how much back and forth you do and Therefir caught onto it
Rule Violation Reports (New forum)
Just to elaborate even further, several members have noticed this too yet any arguments against this is always accusing the other party of creating an L train https://vsbattles.com/threads/versus-thread-removal-requests-new-forum.107533/post-7356406
Why would the first match be removed, because goat lost? Brother the guy got one shotted by decon, an entirely different match where he has prior knowledge of the one shot doesnt discredit the original match.
Again, the same arguments you FRA'd in the prior knowledge match is the same arguments you called nonsense for why the original match wasnt a stomp
Also the vote meta doesnt work if the match is truly a stomp. You already tried this with lemillion vs kaneki saying "but votes!!!" to add a stomp onto profiles but it didnt work.
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Fact that you almost staged the MHA Grace-train three times, only to abruptly cancel the match when Kaneki emerged victorious in the vote, doesn't leave you with much credibility.Kinda hypocritical when this is you every single thread here, here, here and even right now here and here repeatedly bashing the other party and using false accusations against them anytime they remotely question you
Close and fair because you believe it is or its close and fair because the character you wanted to win won with a ridiculous win con? You can't be arguing this if said arguments was about him being untouchable with skill gap, blitz, RE AD, instinctive reactions (funny enough the same arguments that I used in the original match. The same arguments you refuted as nonsense)
This argument doesn't work if the other side purposely hide arguments in order to make the match closer until revealed with a vastly inferior Kaneki being an untouchable skill god with instinctive reactions and blitz amp avoiding spikes while being "resistant" to decon. Every single thing you said here is absurd considering you switch back and forth which argument fits your agenda better. You gotta pick one. Is my arguments for why the original match wasnt a stomp "nonsense" or not? You quite literally FRA my exact arguments, my exact arguments that you called nonsense.
Like brother theres an entire essay here showing how much back and forth you do and Therefir caught onto it
Rule Violation Reports (New forum)
Just to elaborate even further, several members have noticed this too yet any arguments against this is always accusing the other party of creating an L train https://vsbattles.com/threads/versus-thread-removal-requests-new-forum.107533/post-7356406vsbattles.com
Why would the first match be removed, because goat lost? Brother the guy got one shotted by decon, an entirely different match where he has prior knowledge of the one shot doesnt discredit the original match.
Again, the same arguments you FRA'd in the prior knowledge match is the same arguments you called nonsense for why the original match wasnt a stomp
Also the vote meta doesnt work if the match is truly a stomp. You already tried this with lemillion vs kaneki saying "but votes!!!" to add a stomp onto profiles but it didnt work.
You should read the latest posts in the rvr thread before screaming about lies and hypocrisy.
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What do you mean staged
. Bros acting like I was the one that closed the lemillion match. I didnt even abruptly cancel the rematch either .When did I abruptly cancel the Pose Kaneki match either? This doesnt leave you with much credibility if what you just said is nonsenseHope you realize what im saying is mostly towards you and not @NikHelton
? Let's just wait for the admins.
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This has to be the smallest argument @Kingofwolves999 ever made for a match. It wasn't even that damning.
Half of his argument was literally just
"Every skill feat I’m hearing for Kaneki is ass and gets read by Analytical Prediction and Overhaul’s general intelligence. “He fought guys that can avoid Kagune that are unpredictable” ok so which of them has kept up with blitzes." No one bothered debating him and immediately went straight to versus thread removal.
The main argument was him simply deconning Kaneki instantly with a finger? And what im reading from the thread, he didnt even activate his Kakuja to blitz him. Which happens first, Overhaul intercepting Kaneki's kagune or Kaneki being pushed into a desire situation where he needs to activate Kakuja blitz.
No new arguments were made. It was the same ones I made.
I already said this
Bro
BRO
Ill make my own post regarding Kaneki Post Rose and Overhaul later
All in all nothing presented was new because I already argued this for Kaneki. Something that Kaneki supporters agreed he'd lose with in the match as shown in the thread
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You can express your position regarding Post-Rose vs. Chisaki, but I would insist that you not parse my response point by point. I didn't parse your message before me point by point, as that would turn the thread into a jumble. You stated your position, backing it up with facts. I did the same. We don't need to start an argument here, and you can simply message me directly. At the very least, let's not clutter the thread with a bunch of messages, so as not to complicate the moderators' work.
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Not surprised this much back and forth is happening, because TG supporters can't imagine one of their characters losing the match. Instead, the supporters opt to try favoring the match's parameters to the TG character due to fake disadvantages or intelligence being dumbed down, but simultaneously assert Kaneki's got godly skill within the first two pages. There's like four other matches involving TG where the voting demographic is skewed one way and the arguments presented lack substance or any in depth analysis of the fight besides "skill stomp".
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These arguments are ridiculous to hear from a person who votes against Kaneki without even reading the match conditions and ignoring the stat numbers
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I never did that without being open to further discussions but alr
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Yap number 25
Darth only really talks depending on which narrative fits the best for them. Nothing new. You can tell with the small response of him immediately wanting every single Kaneki match regarding Overhaul deleted once they heard the chance of the original match being added back due to it being a loss
Broskie the main and absolute win con for overhaul winning the original match was him landing a single finger on Kaneki to one shot him. Nothing changed.
What. You were the one that thought Kaneki Vs Mirio was a stomp, Rusty isnt biased and actively votes against mha characters as much as they vote for them, and @Arkansalter2 isnt even an mha fan and they were the one that closed the match
This is basically what happened yeah. @DarthSorox being the biggest offender of this pretty much.
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I’ll say this now. You CANNOT call my arguments nonsense and theoretical for why the original match wasnt a stomp, use my same arguments for why Kaneki wins with prior knowledge, and then go along with this narrative that these arguments were “new” and that the old match should be deleted WHEN THEY WERE MY SAME EXACT ARGUMENTS I USED TO DEFEND KANEKI IN THE ORIGINAL MATCH, THE SAME ONES LABELED AS NONSENSE AND THEORETICAL
Yeah the original match should 100% stay on profile. Even Kaneki supporters agreed that my arguments wasn’t enough for Kaneki to win the match in the original thread so the winner is still correct and not outdated.
Yeah the original match should 100% stay on profile. Even Kaneki supporters agreed that my arguments wasn’t enough for Kaneki to win the match in the original thread so the winner is still correct and not outdated.
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How does this relate to what i said at all? My comment was in reference as to why Nik thought first match was a stomp nothing else
Well the problem was people saying its extreme diff fight(you yourself said that lol)/or even incon, but when Kaneki started winning in votes it was deemed a stomp
I dont have a problem with it being closed in of itself, cuz i DO think its a stomp
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Guys, we aren't getting anywhere by arguing in vs. thread removals
Let's just move past this thread before things escalate
Let's just move past this thread before things escalate
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brother thats the entire point of this thread
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Stomp because of what? Spikes? Regen? 4 arms?
(Funny enough what the prior knowledge desired wasnt even any of those, it was targetting Overhaul's main win con)
Yeah because I legitimately thought it was a extreme diff fight. You can see my first post was me worrying it was a stomp due to mid regen. As you can see, it did bite me back as he did legitimately stomp with mid regen (Btw an mha fan still wasnt the one to close the match. honestly its quite the opposite as @Arkansalter2 is the one that closed the match and he literally makes fun of mha supporters for labeling kafka vs deku a stomp despite it being a 14x blitz stomp)
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yeah but this is clearly devolving into a conversation of "ur toxic!" and "No ur toxic!"
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Honestly thats just @DarthSorox self-sabotaging themselves by commenting the most random and useless stuff
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Read what Nik said in RVR
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@CastoriceTheFifth doesn't understand that this concerns him too.Honestly thats just @DarthSorox self-sabotaging themselves by commenting the most random and useless stuff
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Ok so I had an entire response made for @NikHelton RVR post but I'm going to save everyone the trouble to not send it since its similar to what was said. I'll say this though
2. No. Kaneki and Overhaul doesn't possess an unavoidable ability that cannot be dodged no matter what.
3. No. The durability and AP gap between Kaneki and Overhaul is only 100 tons.
4. Yes. Both Kaneki and Overhaul has reliable ways of harming and defeating each other. Overhaul can one shot Kaneki with a single finger and instantly deconstruct him or Kaneki can one shot Overhaul via reasons already argued in the original match
5. No It is not a stomp
So heres what we have when taking into account @NikHelton post.
So 1. Its clearly not a stomp. 2. The same arguments used were the same exact arguments I used in the original match defending Kaneki and why the match isnt a stomp. 3. Theyre not new arguments so the match shouldnt be removed because I already argued the same exact arguments. 4. @NikHelton till this moment now still believes Kaneki gets one shotted by a single touch, meaning the winner was correct and Overhaul just pulled off his win con better/more likely than Kaneki pulling off his win cons and one shot.
So yeah no, the original match is still valid and should stay
1. No. Kaneki and Overhaul doesn't have a passive ability that instantly disables or defeats the other, leaving no chanceStomp Guide for Dummies
1. Does either character have a passive ability that instantly disables or defeats the other, leaving no chance to react?
→ No
2. Does either character possess an unavoidable ability or attack that cannot be dodged regardless of the opponent's skill?
→ No
4. Can one character tank everything the other can do while one-shotting in return?
→ No
5. Do both characters have reliable ways to harm or defeat each other through their own abilities?
→ Yes
6. Is this a stomp?
→ No.
2. No. Kaneki and Overhaul doesn't possess an unavoidable ability that cannot be dodged no matter what.
3. No. The durability and AP gap between Kaneki and Overhaul is only 100 tons.
4. Yes. Both Kaneki and Overhaul has reliable ways of harming and defeating each other. Overhaul can one shot Kaneki with a single finger and instantly deconstruct him or Kaneki can one shot Overhaul via reasons already argued in the original match
5. No It is not a stomp
So heres what we have when taking into account @NikHelton post.
So 1. Its clearly not a stomp. 2. The same arguments used were the same exact arguments I used in the original match defending Kaneki and why the match isnt a stomp. 3. Theyre not new arguments so the match shouldnt be removed because I already argued the same exact arguments. 4. @NikHelton till this moment now still believes Kaneki gets one shotted by a single touch, meaning the winner was correct and Overhaul just pulled off his win con better/more likely than Kaneki pulling off his win cons and one shot.
So yeah no, the original match is still valid and should stay
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Hang on a minute...if people changed their opinions on the original match, wouldn't it only be fair to count the most recent version of the match? Especially since that version has way more people voting?
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They were 2 different matches with different conditions. Why would the match with prior knowledge invalidate the other match with no prior knowledge. Considering @NikHelton even said he still believes Kaneki still gets cooked and loses by a single touch due to no prior knowledge meaning these were 2 entirely different matchups dependent on prerequisite advantages/conditions.
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Let me put it into perspective using Kaneki Vs Sukuna. Kaneki defeated Sukuna. Do you think Sukuna is still going to lose if he had prior knowledge that Kaneki had the ability to reverse one shot him? One of the main arguments was that he was just gonna job and play around with Kaneki.
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yeah but for the match with prior knowledge, kaneki could actually do stuff to avoid decon while the match without prior knowledge just had him lose to decon
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Can we remove the match then? Cuz that shit is out of character
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I asked you for Kaneki Vs Sukuna 2 but you said you weren’t ready for it
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My arguments for deleting the match are the same and are stated in this post
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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)
Just to elaborate even further, several members have noticed this too yet any arguments against this is always accusing the other party of creating an L train https://vsbattles.com/threads/versus-thread-removal-requests-new-forum.107533/post-7356406
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Too many Kaneki glazers. But you can do it if you want lolI asked you for Kaneki Vs Sukuna 2 but you said you weren’t ready for it
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I don't get what's wrong with the rematch here since the outcome has now changed with prior knowledge....I asked you for Kaneki Vs Sukuna 2 but you said you weren’t ready for it
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, this was NOT one of the main arguments
The main arguments from the thread was that Overhaul wouldn't be able to land hits on Kaneki before he could just AD to him since kaneki had IA, enhanced senses, ANPR on par with people who already gave him trouble, all on top of AD and regen
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And I don’t see what’s wrong with the original match if nothing new was presented and that multiple people including @NikHelton still believes kaneki loses and gets one shotted. All im hearing is that both match were heavily dependent on conditions/prior knowledge
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He's talking about Sukuna versus Kaneki.
And no, the main argument was RE and that Sukuna wouldn't use DE at the start of the fight. Also, that Sukuna would underestimate Kaneki or try to test him.
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ok if your argument is that the original match should also be added thats fair
I'm just saying the new one shouldn't be removed because it has different conditions that enable new arguments
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No, after the arguments of the 3rd round, I don’t think Kaneki will lose.
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Yeah that was pretty much what I said. The argument was Sukuna would job and play around with Kaneki. With prior knowledge of Kaneki’s RE AD, he would just instantly go for nuking Kaneki instead of jobbing.
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