Veldora vs Guy

[Catpija]

The great storm dragon-sama was casually reading a manga the holy scripture when a demon insulted it, causing Veldora to go berserk, in which Guy replied with a battle stance preparing to annihilate a lizard

Veldora

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Guy Crimson

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Battle Information:
•Both in the Web Novel version
•Both in their Afterstories key
•Bloodlusted
•Fight takes place in Nothern Continent

Veldora:

Guy:

Rimuru comes and smack them(inconclusive):

 

[Peak]

I don't even remember much about the webnovel, but does Veldora at least scale to Yuuki? Because Rimuru stated at the end of the series that Guy could fight equally or even beat Yuuki

 

[Catpija]

Veldora is narratively above Yuuki

 

[091Franky]

Veldora is narratively above Yuuki

When was this stated that he is narratively stated to be stronger than yuuki

 

[Overlord1]

The technique that finished Dagruel can be a good way to win if hax is not possible.

 

[Peak]

The technique that finished Dagruel can be a good way to win if hax is not possible.

Can't Guy just copy the technique?

 

[Overlord1]

Can't Guy just copy the technique?

He needs to see first, according to the profile. But Veldora can still use the odds to his advantage, right?

 

[Peak]

He needs to see first, according to the profile. But Veldora can still use the odds to his advantage, right?

Veldora uses probability manipulation and Guy copies it right away, in addition, Rimuru also has probability manipulation and Guy was constantly fighting him, I have no doubt that Guy already has it, or at least knows how to deal with it.

 

[Overlord1]

Veldora uses probability manipulation and Guy copies it right away, in addition, Rimuru also has probability manipulation and Guy was constantly fighting him, I have no doubt that Guy already has it, or at least knows how to deal with it.

If he can avoid Veldora's potent probability, that complicates things a bit. But it still has Veldora's passives, although I believe Guy can handle it. I think this fight would be fair enough.

 

[Peak]

If he can avoid Veldora's potent probability, that complicates things a bit. But it still has Veldora's passives, although I believe Guy can handle it. I think this fight would be fair enough.

Guy should have resistance to almost every skill in the verse as he is superior to Yuuki who has almost everything, so Veldora's passives should be easily bypassed, Veldora's probability manipulation is on the same scale as Rimuru's, so I don't see a problem, and as I said, even if it had, he would simply copy

And I'm still waiting for why Veldora scale for Yuuki, if he doesn't scale then Guy slams

 

[Overlord1]

Being a fight between TS characters, if Guy is superior to Yuuki then by law Veldora would have serious trouble making something work. Otherwise, I imagine Rimuru would have left Veldora in charge of destroying Yuuki.

In other words, Guy inevitably copies and returns even stronger.

Guy should have resistance to almost every skill in the verse as he is superior to Yuuki who has almost everything, so Veldora's passives should be easily bypassed, Veldora's probability manipulation is on the same scale as Rimuru's, so I don't see a problem, and as I said, even if it had, he would simply copy

And I'm still waiting for why Veldora scale for Yuuki, if he doesn't scale then Guy slams

 

[Peak]

so my vote is Guy FRA for now

 

[Catpija]

When was this stated that he is narratively stated to be stronger than yuuki

not necessarily stated, Yuuki struggled to destroy the world as a whole(space time continuum) but Veldora's mere aura can match and fought an energy that could destroy the whole universe even its timeline

Can't Guy just copy the technique?

Veldora uses probability manipulation and Guy copies it right away,

Can Guy copy a 4D hax though, Chaos Lord Nyarlahotep can be used against Mobius System

in addition, Rimuru also has probability manipulation and Guy was constantly fighting him, I have no doubt that Guy already has it, or at least knows how to deal with it.

We don't even know how the fight went, so this is just your headcanon

Guy should have resistance to almost every skill in the verse as he is superior to Yuuki who has almost everything,

thats not how its work, the resistance page explicitly stated this

Instances where Character A defeats Character B, Character B fails to defeat a Character A, or the like, aren't enough for Character A to have resistances to all the powers Character B has. Multiple factors such as Character-Induced Stupidity, Plot-Induced Stupidity and/or a Speed Blitz can be at play if no further details are given. Cases like this may include complicated, long fights Character B may want to win due to significant reasons, even if the details of the battle weren't clearly detailed. Exceptions include instances where it's explicitly indicated that "all of Character B's powers won't work on Character A", or equivalents.

Also mind you that Guy isnt stronger than Yuuki, its just stated that he can fight him on equal terms

What's stopping Veldora from passively releasing his aura that can nullifies 4D hax at the level of type 1 concept? with this Guy cant do anything to him, he can use probability manipulation defensively or offensively, either to overturn the situation when he outmatched, or bypassing Guy's multidimensional barrier, there is also Dragon Claw which is a op durability negation, Infertile Paradox also incaps Guy for a several hundred year, combined with parrarel existences that will annoy Guy or straight up jumped at him. Guy also have absolutely no way to attack Veldora's true body, which is located inside Imaginary Space.

 

[Peak]

not necessarily stated, Yuuki struggled to destroy the world as a whole(space time continuum) but Veldora's mere aura can match and fought an energy that could destroy the whole universe even its timeline



Can Guy copy a 4D hax though, Chaos Lord Nyarlahotep can be used against Mobius System


We don't even know how the fight went, so this is just your headcanon



thats not how its work, the resistance page explicitly stated this



Also mind you that Guy isnt stronger than Yuuki, its just stated that he can fight him on equal terms

What's stopping Veldora from passively releasing his aura that can nullifies 4D hax at the level of type 1 concept? with this Guy cant do anything to him, he can use probability manipulation defensively or offensively, either to overturn the situation when he outmatched, or bypassing Guy's multidimensional barrier, there is also Dragon Claw which is a op durability negation, Infertile Paradox also incaps Guy for a several hundred year, combined with parrarel existences that will annoy Guy or straight up jumped at him. Guy also have absolutely no way to attack Veldora's true body, which is located inside Imaginary Space.

well yes, i see i said some things that go outside vsb standards, so i assume the error, however, Rimuru declares that Guy can draw or >win< Yuuki, and well, a long-term fight is advantageous for Guy and his ability to copy his opponent's techniques.

 

[Catpija]

however, Rimuru declares that Guy can draw or >win< Yuuki, .

not really, he only said Guy can fight Yuuki on an even field

At the very least, I felt like Guy as he is now could have fought Yuuki on an even field.

Well, I won’t lose to him as I am now but I don’t fancy getting hurt due to being prideful like that.

There’s no reason nor meaning in fighting him, so it’s best if we can get along.

 

[Catpija]

Guy would probably be tough to beat because of his skill/technique and swordmanship, but Veldora have some pretty good skill and his aura nature is annoying, so i think Veldora take this

 

[091Franky]

not necessarily stated, Yuuki struggled to destroy the world as a whole(space time continuum) but Veldora's mere aura can match and fought an energy that could destroy the whole universe even its timeline

That doesn't means 'narratively' thats because veldora actually have a whole after story for him to display power in his new key.
Guy was always implied to be narratively stronger than veldora. Even the author reply on syosetu was Rimuru | Wall | Guy > Rest characters

 

[Catpija]

That doesn't means 'narratively' thats because veldora actually have a whole after story for him to display power in his new key.
Guy was always implied to be narratively stronger than veldora. Even the author reply on syosetu was Rimuru | Wall | Guy > Rest characters

that doesnt make any sense though, Guy is equal to Yuuki, and this Yuuki failed to do what Veldora can do, but eh if thats what the author said, cant argue with that ಥ‿ಥ

 

[Catpija]

wait actually where did he said that

 

[091Franky]

that doesnt make any sense though, Guy is equal to Yuuki, and this Yuuki failed to do what Veldora can do, but eh if thats what the author said, cant argue with that ಥ‿ಥ

You are literally comparing someone with no feat with his new powers vs someone that got 100 or more chapters.

Also, we never get the description of why yuuki failed probabaly he lost his will or something because he still had Beelzebub which can devour the universe and he had an infinite life span so he won't die because of old age thats literally contradicting to the whole story. Veldora during the tenma war was fodder to yuuki an that time guy was said to be equal to yuuki, so they both got stronger within the gap but one got 100 ch to show his new power

wait actually where did he said that

It was a reply on syosetu comment

 

[Catpija]

You are literally comparing someone with no feat with his new powers vs someone that got 100 or more chapters.

Also, we never get the description of why yuuki failed probabaly he lost his will or something because he still had Beelzebub which can devour the universe and he had an infinite life span so he won't die because of old age thats literally contradicting to the whole story. Veldora during the tenma war was fodder to yuuki an that time guy was said to be equal to yuuki, so they both got stronger within the gap but one got 100 ch to show his new power

fair enough

It was a reply on syosetu comment

the comment was written in 2014 October while the webnovel extra story first chapter started at August, and ended at 2016, the list could be outdated

 

[Peak]

not really, he only said Guy can fight Yuuki on an even field

depends on the translation you use, in the place where i read it, Rimuru says that Guy could win, but still, if even equaling Yuuki is something that I don't know if Veldora would be able to

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

By feats Afterstories Veldora>Guy, main story is a whole different story, Guy would win.

 

[Peak]

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