Vegeta VS Knuckles

[NoOneCanJustDeflectTheEmeraldSplash]

Rival VS Rival!

SSBE Vegeta vs Hyper Knuckles Both are low 2-C, speed equalised.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Knuckles sneezes and Vegeta dies by accident.

 

[Omegas03]

Isn't Vegeta not that far above Baseline while Knuckles is at the +?

EDIT: If we consider Saiyan Saga Vegeta is going to be downgraded to Baseline.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Knuckles is 5-B+, Vegeta is above baseline 5-B but not by that much iirc.

Knuckles is also more haxed so Vegeta is really screwed.

However, Low 2-C Vegeta VS Low 2-C Knuckles is still possible

 

[Omegas03]

Vegeta one shots

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Knuckles have stonewall durability

 

[NoOneCanJustDeflectTheEmeraldSplash]

So, should we move up to low 2-C?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Hyper Knuckles VS SSBE Vegeta seems good to me (Iirc Vegeta is 20 * baseline in SSBE, but Knuckles have unquantifyable stonewall durability so Vegeta isn't one shotting)

 

[NoOneCanJustDeflectTheEmeraldSplash]

Updated, also bump.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

How much Vegeta is above baseline?

Hyper Knuckles is far above Super Knuckles who defeated the Phantom King

 

[Omegas03]

SSBE Vegeta = SSBKKx20 Goku (post UIO2) > (20x) SSB Goku (post UIO2) > UIO1 Goku >>> Infinite Zamasu = Baseline.

So he's at least 30 to 40x Baseline I'll say. If Super Knuckles is a bit above Baseline I dunno how far onto Low 2-C would Hyper be.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So Vegeta has a clear AP advantage, but Hyper Knuckles have stonewall durability

 

[ShakeResounding]

To elaborate. Super Knuckles is casually above the Phantom King, who's baseline Low 2-C. However, Super Forms have pretty good Stonewall Durability and are completely unaffected by attacks at their level and by those physically superior to them. Hyper Knuckles is above that by a large, but unknown, margin.

Unsure how much the Stonewall Dura covers for the disadvantage if he's unaffected by casual baseline Low 2-Cs (like Classic Super Sonic with the Time Eater), but I'd say that's pretty damn sturdy. I'm unsure if that's enough tho

 

[Omegas03]

How good is that durability? I mean, Vegeta's AP advantage is likely, far above the one shot requirement (7.5x)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I'm pretty sure Vegeta just overwhelms Knux with his power advantage, unless Knux decides to use Transmutation.

 

[ShakeResounding]

How good is that durability? I mean, Vegeta's AP advantage is likely, far above the one shot requirement (7.5x)

Ninja'd you.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

How good is that durability? I mean, Vegeta's AP advantage is likely, far above the one shot requirement (7.5x)

Not really. If Vegeta is 30 * baseline, then Knuckles having durability of 4 * baseline Low 2-C will be enough to prevent one-shotting. Super Knuckles was comparable to Super Sonic who was unaffected by the Time Eater, and Hyper Knuckles is far above his super form

 

[Omegas03]

So, either Vegeta eventually beats Knuckles via sheer AP and skill advantage or Knux just haxes gg.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Knuckles absolutely won't start with his hax, but it's likely that he'll be backed into a corner in this fight and could use it.

But Vegeta still clearly has the AP advantage, as well as much more skill than Knuckles does since Sonic describes his moves as "easy to read".

 

[Theuser789]

Knuckles is a martial arts master tho unlike Sonic, Sonic says that because he is faster than him, not that Knuckles has no skill

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I think this Vegeta would still have the skill advantage due to being comparable to Gods of Destruction like Beerus, which have millions of years of experience.

 

[Theuser789]

I mean sure, just didn't like Shake's comparrasion

Wasn't most of the years not fighting because people like Beerus didn't have anyone who could give them good fights?

 

[Lord_JJJ]

Vegeta FRA

 

[ShakeResounding]

I mean sure, just didn't like Shake's comparrasion

Nothing implies it was due to Sonic's speed. If you say somebody's moves are easy to read, that's different from his opponent simply being slow enough that anyone faster could read it. You can be a martial artist but still be easy to read.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Sonic canonically defeated Knuckles in their first battle despite the former not being farmiliar with Knuckles's skills. Even in the Archie Comics I think Sonic beated Knuckles there. And in Sonic X

 

[Theuser789]

Nothing implies it was due to Sonic's speed. If you say somebody's moves are easy to read, that's different from his opponent simply being slow enough that anyone faster could read it. You can be a martial artist but still be easy to read.

At best this is a skill feat for Sonic, seeing a martial artist moves as easy to read, not a anti-feat for Knuckles

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bump

 

[Nitro90]

Vegeta FRA

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Vegeta due to AP and Skill advantage.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Can Vegeta one shot Knuckles before he uses hax?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Vegeta definitely doesn't one shot, but he does seem to have the AP advantage. Also does SSBE have a time limit? Since Hyper Knuckles doesn't have a time limit

 

[Theuser789]

It shouldn't, only UI has one as far as I know

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Vegeta definitely doesn't one shot, but he does seem to have the AP advantage. Also does SSBE have a time limit? Since Hyper Knuckles doesn't have a time limit

Not that we know of. Nothing about a time limit has been stated in either the anime or manga.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So I think Vegeta wins this because Knuckles won't use his haxes in character fast enough for him to win

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah, Vegeta should get the W here, Vegeta FRA

 

[Mister6ame6]

Vegeta FRA

 

[NoOneCanJustDeflectTheEmeraldSplash]

I think that's 6 votes for Vegeta. Grace?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Grace only starts with 7 votes for one side

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Can Vegeta's Final Explosion one shot? just asking

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I don't think so, Knuckles's stonewall durability is going to prevent Vegeta from one shotting him. Vegeta still have a considerable AP advantage most likely