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Vegeta (Namek saga) Vs Gwen (Anodite form)

It says standard equipment though
I am aware. Ben 10 pages are outdated (granted in OV she did get one charm of Bezel) but the only time she even had them all IIRC was back in the OS when she was literally “lucky girl”.

If you do want to argue she has the charms of bezel then this is a stomp.
 
Well, in that case Ill vote incon. Vegeta's speed advantage isn't too notable, but it is there. So its really a "who can pull off what first" scenario.
 
No like I mean literally he can’t dodge. Some of her hax immediately hits the target once casted. Sleep hax is a clap in the hand + saying Somnis and instantly you’re asleep. Status effect inducement is an AoE wave. Deconstruction is just saying the spell name and it’s also invisible but does seem to move towards the target (she might need the spellbook for that but she can easily pull it up in front of her) and it also works on energy attacks so his ki blasts could be affected as well.
 
Yeah, most of those can be avoided, if vegeta keeps moving, he can dodge the wave and the blast since he is faster. He isn’t just gonna stay still the whole time.

Him shooting is faster then clapping and speaking, and she will have to focus on dodging instead of casting.
 
The wave is probably faster than herself since she used it in mid-combat against an army of Ben Tennysons with armor. (So they had comparable speed to her and Kevin) Assuming Vegeta can even see the wave.

I wouldn’t consider her deconstruction spell a blast per say. Also that’ll hit even if she dies beforehand, as long as she manages to cast it

She can easily clap her hands and then teleport away to dodge a blast from 4 km’s away.

You can find the deconstruction under matter manipulation.
 
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I mean Vegeta scales above a feat faster then her, so something vaguely faster would still be dodgable.

You said the decon moves towards him, so if he stays on the move it would struggle to hit him.

She would likely be casting a spell at the time, unless she can clap to sleep and clap to teleport simultaneously.
 
I mean Vegeta scales above a feat faster then her, so something vaguely faster would still be dodgable.

You said the decon moves towards him, so if he stays on the move it would struggle to hit him.

She would likely be casting a spell at the time, unless she can clap to sleep and clap to teleport simultaneously.
Fair enough on the first thing.

Check the page I linked for the second thing that way you’ll see what I mean.

You’re essentially arguing that XLR8 (who should be equal to or faster than Vegeta’s blasts) can hit her from 4 km’s distance before she puts him to sleep. That really isn’t the case. XLR8 is gonna be able to move 100 meters max before he’s put to sleep. Then she merely needs to think to teleport.
 
I mean XLR8 has nothing to do with this.
Why do you need to bring up unrelated stuff here?
I mean what disproves it exactly?
 
Bruh, Vegeta can't blitz, he isn't that much faster. Unless you make a CRT to make those changes (which you can't rn due to several DB revisions going on rn), its going to stay that way.

Anyways, are Gwen's spells projectiles, or do they just happen on Vegeta as soon as she casts them?
Yes he can , he's faster, he isn't much faster is bs. Idc about that. Regardless
Vegeta is faster, bliz and blast her away no difficulty unless she has some form of immortality..
 
No. He. Isn't. That's not what his rating is. If you disagree with it, make a CRT, otherwise its staying that way.
Yes. He is. Even using this bs rating he's still faster. I do not care about CRT , when I debate outside , there is no need for such a thing. Conclusion, moral off no fooling around, Vegeta blitz and one-shots her because he's faster than her using the rating of this wiki. And regardless , it no longer matters to continue this discussion since my vote is already there.
 
Yes. He is. Even using this bs rating he's still faster. I do not care about CRT , when I debate outside , there is no need for such a thing. Conclusion, moral off no fooling around, Vegeta blitz and one-shots her because he's faster than her using the rating of this wiki. And regardless , it no longer matters to continue this discussion since my vote is already there.
Vegeta is faster yes but that's still not a blitz
 
His rating currently isn't that much faster than Gwen. Yes you need a CRT. By your logic, I can just claim that Vegeta is omnipotent, and omnipresent without any evidence, and I don't need any evidence, nor do I need to make a CRT despite the accepted ratings saying otherwise because theres no need.
 
I mean XLR8 has nothing to do with this.
Why do you need to bring up unrelated stuff here?
I mean what disproves it exactly?
I meant that the ki blast can only travel 100 meters before she claps her hand. Which is obvious because you’d be arguing Gwen herself would be able to move 50 meters (assuming she’s twice as slow as Vegeta) in the time it takes her to clap which seems like too much distance if you ask me. I brought up XLR8 to make a point that basically nothing in Ben 10 can get to her from 4 km’s away without her being able to put up a spell (or 2) (barring celestialsapiens and Way Big, the latter being under speed revisions) and since XLR8 is faster than Vegeta this also applies to him.
 
His rating currently isn't that much faster than Gwen. Yes you need a CRT. By your logic, I can just claim that Vegeta is omnipotent, and omnipresent without any evidence, and I don't need any evidence, nor do I need to make a CRT despite the accepted ratings saying otherwise because theres no need.
It's not by my logic , I said using this rating from the wiki,he's faster, but I need not CRT when I debate outside.
 
Yes. He is. Even using this bs rating he's still faster. I do not care about CRT , when I debate outside , there is no need for such a thing. Conclusion, moral off no fooling around, Vegeta blitz and one-shots her because he's faster than her using the rating of this wiki. And regardless , it no longer matters to continue this discussion since my vote is already there.
I’ll humor you since you keep being persistent about it. Gwen’s speed is currently under revision to the point that she scales to Vilgax who can cross the galaxy in a minute. She absolutely murderblitzes anything in Dragon Ball Z (not counting super) once that revision is complete. So my suggestion is that you stick with what’s on the page for now.
 
You. Need. A. CRT. You can't just claim "vEgEtA bLitZeS bEcAuSe I sAiD sO" and expect us to accept it, when the ratings completely suggest otherwise. Blitzing is when a character moves so fast that the other can't react, Vegeta doesn't have that speed.
 
You. Need. A. CRT. You can't just claim "vEgEtA bLitZeS bEcAuSe I sAiD sO" and expect us to accept it, when the ratings completely suggest otherwise. Blitzing is when a character moves so fast that the other can't react, Vegeta doesn't have that speed.
The speed difference was established above, and it was established he's faster , because he's faster than her , he will blitz her and since he's bloodlusted , he would blitz and one-shots end of the battle.
 
How many times do we have to tell you this? His speed is not nearly enough to blitz, so stop trying to claim that. Being faster =/= Being able to blitz.
 
How many times do we have to tell you this? His speed is not nearly enough to blitz, so stop trying to claim that.
How many times to I have to tell you this as well , When you are faster , you are faster wtf are saying , they are not the same speed tier , he blitzs because he's faster and because he's bloodlusted and will one shot her.
 
The speed difference was established above, and it was established he's faster , because he's faster than her , he will blitz her and since he's bloodlusted , he would blitz and one-shots end of the battle.
You need to be at least 7 times faster to blitz someone. That is currently accepted on this wiki. It’s not because a car is driving towards me at 100 mph from 4 km away that I can’t get out of the way in time despite being much slower you know.
 
How many times to I have to tell you this as well , When you are faster , you are faster wtf are saying , they are not the same speed tier , he blitzs because he's faster and because he's bloodlusted and will one shot her.
I think you may be confusing him with his version in dragon ball super. You are aware this is just Vegeta from before he could even turn super Saiyan right?
 
I’ll humor you since you keep being persistent about it. Gwen’s speed is currently under revision to the point that she scales to Vilgax who can cross the galaxy in a minute. She absolutely murderblitzes anything in Dragon Ball Z (not counting super) once that revision is complete. So my suggestion is that you stick with what’s on the page for now.
She wouldn't do anything ,, she would be stomp instantly unless she'S superior to dbz , or if you want you can debate me on that , I will gladly prove why she's nothing . I stick with what was said , and it was establish that he's faster , therefor he can move faster than her and is bloodlust , it's blitz and one shot end of the battle.
 
She wouldn't do anything ,, she would be stomp instantly unless she'S superior to dbz , or if you want you can debate me on that , I will gladly prove why she's nothing . I stick with what was said , and it was establish that he's faster , therefor he can move faster than her and is bloodlust , it's blitz and one shot end of the battle.
Dude this is Vegeta from DBZ Namek saga who is only FTL
 
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