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Vampire VS Vampire - DIO VS Izraf

ProfessorLord

ProfessorLord

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Awakened DIO
IzrafRender
"Lesser being!"

DIO HIGH
"Behold this magnificent power!"

vs Izraf (Strongest forms)
Battle takes place in Central Park, NYC. In-character

Izraf has the ability to see The World. SBA otherwise.

DIO (2): TheJ-ManRequiem, Chartate101

Izraf (0):
 
Maybe because he has an intangible time stopping punch ghost with faster than light punches? Maybe because he and The World can tag team? Hax can go a long way in terms of tier.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
>ftl.
>Speed equal.
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i see.

edit: i've decided to unequalize speed. izraf has numerous advantages over dio as it stands, so i might as well let dio reign supreme in at least one stat. hopefully this will generate more discussion
 
It's a little more complex then that. Izraf holds advantage on offensive because he's faster stronger and way more durable than DIO, but he'll struggle getting past The World because of speed difference.

Yeah he can time stop and muda muda but that's just compensation for him having severely lower AP compared to Izraf's durability.

To me personally, I think this is fairly equal as it stands, no stomp.
 
Except the speed difference is enough where dio would have enough of a chance and do literally hos entire arsenal and more before he can throw a punch . Obviously dio would muda muda notice that wont work then opt for a more hax aproach after the muda wont do a lot man .

And hes most definitely not touching dio seeing as dio himself deflected numerous emerald splahes from Al directions multiple times which is ftl .
 
DIO wouldn't have time to do it unless he stops it, The World is only fast enough to pull anything off on Izraf. I think the only way for The World and him to win is with constant time-stop barrages, managable but it hinges on the fact that DIO doesn't make one mistake and let Izraf land some shadow hax on him. It will definitely take a while for DIO to win if he does.

DIO has MTFL reactions, so without The World, Izraf can easily tag and OHKO him. What's he going to do, give Izraf a left hook? Probably won't stop an onslaught, he definitely needs The World and timestop. Point is DIO himself can't dodge any attack from Izraf.
 
What? Dio and za warido are literally tens of thousands of times faster. Dude dio will blitz his ass a few thousand times over and notice his punches do almost zero damage. Then say screw that and hax him. Flesh buds. Hypnosis. Potentially a flash freeze depending on if Dio has his vamproc powers or not man and of course dio wouldnt lead with any of that but the absolute speed advantage would have dio exhaust Al his options before izraf can even move . All before izraf even realizes whats happening.

Also ya do remember dio himself without za warudo deflected and casuy dodged emerald splash a few dozen times with no effort only being tagged after a stray projectile sneaked past him while was deflecting a dozen more .

Emerald splash being thousands of times faster .

Dio and za warudo blitz him obviously as Dio and za warudo are casually mach 319020950 .

While his oponent mach 804.46 .

Meaning 396565.3357531760435572 times faster on dio and za warudo .

This a mismatch. Blitz or stomp with no different potential for a fair match .
 
"What? Dio and za warido are literally tens of thousands of times faster. Dude dio will blitz his ass a few thousand times over and notice his punches do almost zero damage."

(DIO, Mach 5-10) Hypersonic with Massively FTL reactions VS (Izraf, Mach 1000-8810.2) Likely Massively Hypersonic+

There will be no speed blitzing on DIO's part. Strictly without The World, Izraf can run circles while throwing city level+ punches (and while DIO can react and block a few of them based on his reaction speed, he'll eventually succumb as he can't pull it off long enough or turn around fast enough to counter a full body onslaught), it's going to be real hard for DIO to fight on his own. The only way for DIO to stay relevant and avoid a full on slugfest onslaught is with The World, who can hopefully parry his punches to the side with a MUDA MUDA MUDA and stop time if it gets really bad.

To recap, DIO is severely disadvantaged in movement and travel speed, superior in reaction speed, and superior in combat speed through The World, which doesn't mean much considering ap vs durability gap.

"Then say screw that and hax him. Flesh buds. Hypnosis. Potentially a flash freeze depending on if Dio has his vamproc powers or not man and of course dio wouldnt lead with any of that but the absolute speed advantage would have dio exhaust Al his options before izraf can even move . All before izraf even realizes whats happening."

Other than Regenerationn, DIO has demonstrated no vampiric powers that he used in PB. Flesh buds would scale with DIO's speed as they don't really have a speed feat of their own, and I already debunked how Izraf is hilariously faster than DIO when it comes to movement speed. He'll dodge them no problemo.

"While his oponent mach 804.46 .

Meaning 396565.3357531760435572 times faster on dio and za warudo ."

... only in terms of combat speed lol
 
Mate say what ya want but youre litterally denying the fact dio made full body movements when deflecting emerald splash.

Dios movement speed is hyperspnic+ (unles you're saying dios slower than jonathan and tarkus meaning dio wasnt updated when part one got a speed upgrade a few months back. Probably because of him being locked though).

Even joseph from part two can move at ftl speeds within bursts seeing as hes scaled from jumping over a laser mid flight .

Mate high dio is literally the exact same as pb dio except more powerful . Thats the entire point. Saying "well he didnt do that so he cant" means absolutely nothing when the narrative and plot dictates high dio is the same but better exuding the fact he kinda died not even 30 seconds after becoming high dio meaning claiming he didnt so he cant is unfair . (Actually the manga explicitly states from the moment of kak dying and za warudo being destroyed was 4 minutes at most .)


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Heres dio dodging deflecting and avoiding mftl projectiles at point blank and from sneak attack also .

Unless ya think emerald splash not mftl .

Alternatively he also briefly engaged star platinum and was at a comparable speed when he pumeled the road roller (which was why high dio and dio got mftl in the first place if I recall ).


Like it or not lord.

Dio blitzes his ass hard. Yeah sure dio cant exactly marathon at mftl speed but he sure as hell can dodge and punch and move for a quick moment at that speed and excluding the fact uzraf would be a literal statue from comparison meaning dio would always be able to move and dodge or time stop and dodge any threat mostly from the fact izraf would be so slow dio could see any threat far before izraf can do that .

Also flesh buds blitz pol .
 
"Dio blitzes his ass hard. Yeah sure dio cant exactly marathon at mftl speed but he sure as hell can dodge and punch and move for a quick moment at that speed and excluding the fact uzraf would be a literal statue from comparison meaning dio would always be able to move and dodge or time stop and dodge any threat mostly from the fact izraf would be so slow dio could see any threat far before izraf can do that ."

Yeah that's correct, he can fight and react at speeds that Izraf cannot. In general, DIO is faster in combat speed by a longshot. He's still slower by a fuckton when it comes to travel speed, which would be useful for running around DIO and punching him in the back, or even just bear-hugging him and squeezing him to death. What will DIO do then? AP difference dictates that he cannot block or even counter his punch, not without The World at least.

Izraf scales from two other characters (whom are essentially the Tarkus/Bruford of their series compared to him) and a reaction feat as well. DIO's speed in close combat by a lot only helps him not die and dodge, I guess it can help him land more hits and close the ap gap but I doubt Izraf would let himself continually get hurt over and over. His shadow hax can also just erase DIO, and it should be a faster than light attack (shadows are just absence of light) and if not at least scale from his travel speed.

There's many ways Izraf can OHKO DIO, (punching DIO or having The World block his punch and have the transfered damage OHKO both of them, using his shadow hax, energy blasts) and there are many ways DIO can avoid being touched by him at all (time stop, parrying with massive combat speed difference). The question is can DIO wittle Izraf down slowly without getting OHKO'd by him?

This is an fair fight. I'm counting you and Chartate's votes towards DIO, since you both believe that he'll win.
 
To elaborate on his shadow hax, he can use it to envelop a target with shadows, causing them to be erased entirely. He can use it for illusions, (making it seem like his shadow is moving across an area like an alley but really he's not there) cause a total blackout of an entire city, and can even warp and bend reality by distorting the area around him (like in this painting , but to a slightly more severe extent, making it unable to be teleported to via hax)

All of this shit can really **** with DIO, increasing his odds of landing his shadow erasure or landing a blow on him in general. It'll help him circumvent time-stop, setting up scenarios in where he can confront DIO.

Scans on his profile.
 
Thing is lord. Youre assuming dio while having all the time in za warudo would keep on landing punches and not hax despite being able land millions of blows before izraf can even react .

Thats defintely unrealistically probably not happening and shadow Manipulation doesnt work that way on the wiki although ya do have a point Dio would be 365 times faster despite that lord .

Doubting that izraf would let himself get harmed pointless . He cant prevent end of part thre dio from doing what he wants the same way ya cant prevent a bullet .
 
Don't understand your first point? Yes, Dio has time to recuperate and think in stopped time, yes he can avoid getting hit.

Izraf should just run up and punch DIO. In character, DIO with his mtfl reaction speed will laugh at how slow he is and have The World block the blow... only to have The World shatter and kill DIO. Even if he plays it smart and treats him far stronger then he is, he really can't **** up once or fall for his shadow illusions, or else Izraf can lunge towards him and OHKO him.

Shadow manipulation is in character for Izraf, and he has reality warped with it before like it or not.

Thats why this isn't a stomp. You're now arguing why DIO would win, not why this is a stomp.
 
There's still a large gap in AP so a few thousand blows doesn't warrant stomp, it means this fight can be equal. Like I've said Izraf is just as hax orientated.
 
Ya mised my point. Za warudo and Dio with a big dick speed advantage punches him thousands of times and notices the punches do nothing and opts for hax before the oponemt can do a thing lord .
 
DIOs... hax? Other than time stop? You mean his hypersonic speed flesh buds, trying to tag the massively hypersonic Izraf? Or the phantom blood hax he never used again?

All of this assuming Izraf doesn't blackout the city at the start like he did vs Escanor making Dio unable to see shit while also amping his stats even further.
 
Ya mean the flesh buds that are as fast as him?. By your admission . Excluding the fact he can flesh buds with za warudo .

And the hax he didnt use because he had no chance or reaspn even though we are aware high dio can do that power and seeing as he had only a few seconds to do so is unfair. Being put against an opponent that punching wont work on would be a reason .

Ya mean after dio has a field day with his advantage of speed .
 
It's not unfair to not let high DIO use it, he said he was weaker himself which stripped all of his abilities away, proof of burden is now on him to show us he has regained them. Why throw a kick at Jotaro when you can shoot him with laser beam eyes? Because he can't.

LOL, as if DIO can do anything about the city turning black. He can't run up fast enough and touch him, the shadow manipulation is speed of light. DIO reacts to it, wonders if it's him, doesn't care anyway, proceeds to run up and close the gap so he's within The World's range aaaannnd... pitch black.
 
No? High dio is literally a better phantom dio. Thats the point. Pre high dio cant while high dio could .

Run? No but he sure as hell can blitz him before a synapse fires within his brain. Time stop completely makes any distance null .
 
Again, assuming he can.

I don't recall bloodlusting this fight? DIO has never in character thrown timestop right off the bat with the intention to kill, only maybe against Polanareff but even then he did it to flex his power, not a single punch was thrown.
 
Which he can as the entire point was becoming equal and evidently above phantom dio and getting rid of the exact thing that made him not able .

Dio has literally always used time stop.when going for a kill .

Kakyoin. Joseph. Jotaro when he was done playing with platinum . And sba litterally dictates wanting to kill and high dio is essentially blodlusted .
 
He hasn't demonstrated it lol, go check his profile.

He wanted to kill Polanareff, Jotaro and Kakyoin. He never used timestop to do it and one shot them without at least testing their abilities or toying with them. Why would he now act any differently and instakill an opponent? It's ooc.

Yes, but that doesn't mean he always spams timestop from the start without ******** around or testing their power. High DIO doesn't lose all personality, never stated or implied. DIO will not timestop and instant kill, to think so is wank.
 
The point flew over your head man .

Yeah he did. Why would he act differently now? Because sba dictates he wants to murder and high dio is essentially a blodlusted .

To think dio and a dio that is inherently pseudo blodlusted would not do anything against an opponent he wants defeated and not for personal playing around (jotaro ) and trying to win over a user (pol ) . Kak proves my point excluding moment if not wanting test jotary any longer he went for time stop ohko on jotaro .

He also would of defeated the joestar group when at the mansion although prevented by length of za warudo lord .
 
Point flew over your head again.

DIO has never started with timestop and instantly killed someone who he wanted to murder. Play around with them and test their abilities, yes, but he's never started off with timestop and oneshot them. This is a fact.

Awakened DIO was never stated to be any more or less bloodlusted than his previous form. You're assuming he his without it being stated or implied, so headcanon.

Of course he would have defeated them, but that doesn't mean he would have stopped time and oneshot all of them. Severely out of character from what he has demonstrated, he probably would have went behind one of their backs and wrap his arm around Kakyoin's shoulder, that sounds more like DIO.
 
You're saying because dio didnt do this thing he apparently cant even though we know far a fact he lost the reason why he couldnt do that in the first place.

And seeing as dio doesnt have any personal reason why he would want to play around with uzraf as he did jotaro... Also he used time stop and ohkoed kak the moment he was within range . He tried doing so upon Joseph but hamon hp defense stopped him mid blow . Jotaro the moment he felt the need to defeat jotaro that was exactly what he did .

Hes shown to be going all out and goes for the kill when high dio . Thats his character state as high .

Joseph literally said Dio would of defeated the group at the mansion but couldnt only because of his time stop length and if it was longer he would if . Which Dio replied with "so what " he essentially agree with and didnt deny .
 
Did you not watch the fight? DIO had already tested his powers up until that point, Kakyoin stayed a good 20m away (20m radius emerald splash) and already fired off multiple emerald splashes, only to have them do nothing. That was a good few minutes of testing his power before stopping time, walking up to him and punching him. That distance gap didn't stop him in the end, it wasn't stopping him at the beginning.

So... he still hasn't instantly stopped time and oneshot someone.

Being high on adrenaline and general euphoria doesn't make someone bloodlusted, nice try. Yes he will be trying his best, but he's still subject to his inate character flaws, which means he would toy with Izraf.

You didn't even read my last point? I'll just copy and paste. "Of course he would have defeated them, but that doesn't mean he would have stopped time and oneshot all of them. Severely out of character from what he has demonstrated, he probably would have went behind one of their backs and wrap his arm around Kakyoin's shoulder, that sounds more like DIO."
 
Considering jotaro being across the street was out of range for pre high dio. Dio wasnt testing his power there. He was being sneaked attacked and actually scuffed at him for damaging him. Dio wasnt doing that because he wanted. He wanted to test jotaro though but that was all unless dio for some reason has a reason to play around with his opponent or hold back he wouldnt. Especially when sba dictates he wants to kill and we see what Dio does after feeling that need .


Probably why i said pseudo . Which probably more than enough of a reason to assume that dio wouldnt play around or let izraf do a lot . Especially as dio has zero reason to play with him within a match . Best case scenario dio flaunts a bit but probably wont even do that .

Joseph said kill. Explictly staying within the mention would of got the joestar group kiled and he felt dios bloodlust .later confirmed dio couldnt because of time stop lemgth .
 
All of your DIO being "out of range" to timestop and walk up to them arguments are just plot induced stupidity. The man can move at hypersonic speeds, he can stop time and reach them across the street in a fraction of a second. Even when in range of a person whom he intends to murder (Polanareff, Kakyoin) he doesn't timestop to instantly kill them, he plays around and sees what they can do for a bit and then he does it.

DIO does have a reason to play with him. "King of Vampires, ho. What makes you king?"... and then he starts the toying around process. Totally in-character. He also likes showing off The World's power to stop time, so he'd definitely use it to teleport behind Izraf and everywhere in general. But as he's doing this the city instantly goes pitch black.

"Of course he would have killed them, but that doesn't mean he would have stopped time and oneshot all of them. Severely out of character from what he has demonstrated, he probably would have went behind one of their backs and wrap his arm around Kakyoin's shoulder, that sounds more like DIO."
 
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