But that outright doesn't work here. Thanos got the soul stone without Gamora's death, got the time stone somehow and got the power stone without destroying Xandar.
Zola being alive is actually because he had a backup in the location the final battle of Civil War takes place in, but because Ultron won the events of that movie never happened.
This makes sense. Haven't gone through the thread but I'm sure someone must have already be saying Carol from What if can't be relative to MCUThis 6-B feat performed by Captain Marvel is no longer deemed an outlier due to the upper limit for pre-Love and Thunder characters being recalced at 12.6 times higher than what it previously was, making it High 6-B.
Captain Marvel causes a blast in Xandar's Core
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Henceforth, high tier MCU characters should scale to it.
MCU: Surtur Commits Sudoku and Blows up Asgard
Now why should we scale canon characters to this feat from What If?
Thus, it's fairly reasonable to scale canon characters to this feat.
Those who get affected by this change are
- Those who are currently 'At least High 6-C' or have a rating related to this scaling chain
- Hulk (he should not be 104 times weaker than those in this scaling chain, 104 times being the difference between the High 6-C value and the 6-B value)
Nah, all debris are being hurled at the same speed here. Same goes for planet busting feats involving high-speed KE. Get the distance traveled from the center point, find the timeframe taken to reach that far, and it's standard KE from there on.
Oof yeah lol that fell flat quick
The thing is you have to prove they're the same. The universe has differences unrelated to Ultron and for all we know Captain Marvel might also be different.
Ravager Thanos is a really bad example to use in this scenario because he is clearly very different to his main universe counterpart, we the viewers are told that before he could begin his conquest T’Challa stopped him, Nebula talks about how her and Gamora would fight each other as children in the GotG vol. 2 and how every time she would lose Thanos would replace parts of her body with cybernetics, in the What If episode she only has a bit of cybernetics beside her eye. This is clear visual communication that Thanos wasn’t a conqueror for very a long time. Therefore it is reasonable that Thanos would be weaker than he normally is in the main MCU. Even I think Ravager Thanos losing to Cull Obsidian and Proxima Midnight is weird but at least there’s actual plausible explanations for it that are alluded to in the plot of the the episode, this is not at all comparable to Captain Marvels situation since literally nothing suggests that she is different.
You don’t need evidence for something that is clearly communicating that a character is the same, the feat she performs isn’t even an outlier and works with the new proposed scaling. If you really want to look into it that deeply in the ultron episode she does the feat in she references the first terminator movie which came out in 1984, she says that she doesn’t think it needs a sequel, which makes sense because she became Captain Marvel in 1989 and was in space until the late movie 1990s when the events of the movie took place, so since she was off Earth from 1989 to the late 90s she wouldn’t know that a terminator sequel exists. Based off this one quip she is literally the same person.
Already explained why Ravager Thanos has a reasonable explanation for being weaker, In the Thor vs Captain Marvel episode it’s stated more than once that she was holding back and was about to stop doing so before Frigga intervened at the end of the episode.
We do until the policy is changed. Canon is a one way street as it is for the comic versions of DC and Marvel until you prove it can work backwards. No one so far has provided any evidence other than she looks the same despite the universes showing differences that have nothing to do with Ultron.
It doesn't mean she's the same person in terms of having the same power level as her canon counterpart. Her exposure to the Tesseract could be different or her ability to use her powers could be different like with MoM Wanda. Strange Supreme has a vast amount of evidence saying he's 1:1 with Canon Strange barring Christina. What If Carol doesn't have the same level of evidence, so I don't support the backscaling.
Episode takes place in 2008, though none of that matters since Thanos is 1,000 years old in the MCU him having ten years less experience than the one from the main timeline is going to make a massive difference (Nebula is his daughter, so he already conquered her planet and him trying to commit genocide is a referenced event), so your best guess is that Thanos is possibly out of shape from being heroic rather than villainess.
Need to bring up this issue again that Qawsed mentioned.
If Carol is 6-B, Thanos has to be 6-B
Wouldn't that also make Proxima Midnight in What If...? 6-B for beating Thanos?
No, I'm talking about the original timeline since you said you believe it is fine for carol to scale to her mainline counterpart
I was saying that in a general sense to describe how I think there's cherrypicking with scaling in What If...?
I'll redo the calc right now based on the hole size itself rather than just using curvature scaling and see how that ends up
There's a big problem with this unfortunately.
I mean, at the same time, would normal surface level explosion laws even work in a place like the core where there's extreme pressures? Fiction be fiction I guess but still.
Looks like we should call more people
Why are we assuming she is shown to be identical? We can't just cherry pick when basically everything in What If...? is massively contradictory.
Because she is identical and isn't shown to be different like Thor and Thanos.
Such as?
