Upgrade for mcu god tiers(vultron, what if strange and watcher)

[The_one_you_least_expect]

So before we start talking about ap and everything let’s star with a bit of a cosmology update. The mcu is not simply a multiverse, it’s a megaverse(technical speaking). A collection of infinite multiverses. Now how do I know this? Simple the watcher already stated how the mcu’s megaverse works



Even stating that a single choice can branch off into infinite realties (0:30). We even see this directly line up with Loki’s final ep when the mega verse is freed from kangs clutches



Now on to ap aka the WoG quote

Now as clearly stated in the tweet that vultron is punching across “multivreses” as more then one and is clearly stating the he is destroying them. Now combined with the evidence I have brought up showing that there are multiple multivreses and that they are infinite this should grant vultron,watcher and what if strange ap ratings of 2-A

 

[ArkhamDC06]

About that, what about that cosmology page we were talking about some time ago?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

About that, what about that cosmology page we were talking about some time ago?

We can start pouring some more stuff into it when dr strange 2 comes out

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

About that, what about that cosmology page we were talking about some time ago?

Also what do you think of the crt?

 

[Dalesean027]

Following

 

[Coolboy6]

Significantly affecting an infinite multiverse would still count as 2-A so I agree with this.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Following

Do you agree with my proposal?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I agree

 

[Dinobot1996]

This looks clearly explained, and I am not noticing any issues with the reasoning used, so I agree with this.

 

[Dalesean027]

Do you agree with my proposal?

I suppose it makes sense that's just a huge tier jump but then again Alioth is 2-A so it's not out of the question for the MCU

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also what do you think of the crt?

I personnally agree

 

[Confluctor]

.... You do realise that statement can mean that he is affecting one universe at a time, right? Or 30 at a time, right? Or even two at a time? It doesn't mean he is outright punching through infinite or nigh infinite universes in one shot.

Can you now prove that he is affecting infinite universe at once? Or at least over a few million or so? Cause I am not seeing anything in these videos - and screenshot.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah I'm like neutral on this like it's not impossible for someone else in the MCU to be 2-A but I need more for myself I think to fully agree

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

.... You do realise that statement can mean that he is affecting one universe at a time, right? Or 30 at a time, right? Or even two at a time? It doesn't mean he is outright punching through infinite or nigh infinite universes in one shot.

Can you now prove that he is affecting infinite universe at once? Or at least over a few million or so? Cause I am not seeing anything in these videos - and screenshot.

If that was the case then why use multivrese instead of just “universes”.

um yes I already did, there are multiple multivreses and they are infinite in size as stated by the watcher and vultron destroyed some of them as stated by Wog

edit: I mean like if he could only destroy like 2 universes at a time then he wouldn’t even be that big of a deal to the mcu since he wouldn’t even be able to fully destroy on branch since it’s infinite yet the watcher thought he would eventually destroy everything(if I’m remembering correctly)

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

All the statement is saying is that he's turning universes across the multiverses into soup, not that he's turning the entirety of them into soup.

 

[Armorchompy]

yea i disagreed with this back when the original what if crt rolled up, and i still do

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

All the statement is saying is that he's turning universes across the multiverses into soup, not that he's turning the entirety of them into soup.

Um no, he literally says his punching across multivreses and turning them(multivreses) to soup. That’s pretty straight forward, I’m assuming he just used the soup bit as a metaphor to describe what was left of them instead of what was actually busted

 

[Confluctor]

If that was the case then why use multivrese instead of just “universes”.

So?

um yes I already did, there are multiple multivreses and they are infinite in size as stated by the watcher and vultron destroyed some of them as stated by Wog

That's not proof of multiversal AP mate?

edit: I mean like if he could only destroy like 2 universes at a time then he wouldn’t even be that big of a deal to the mcu since he wouldn’t even be able to fully destroy on branch since it’s infinite yet the watcher thought he would eventually destroy everything(if I’m remembering correctly)

again, there is no proof. just speculation. And it can be interpreted in a hundred different ways. Just yours have almost 0 backing right now

 

[Confluctor]

Um no, he literally says his punching across multivreses and turning them(multivreses) to soup. That’s pretty straight forward, I’m assuming he just used the soup bit as a metaphor to describe what was left of them instead of what was actually busted

that's such a huge ass stretch I don't even know what to say lol

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

So?


That's not proof of multiversal AP mate?


again, there is no proof. just speculation. And it can be interpreted in a hundred different ways. Just yours have almost 0 backing right now

So?


That's not proof of multiversal AP mate?


again, there is no proof. just speculation. And it can be interpreted in a hundred different ways. Just yours have almost 0 backing right now

Because multivreses are infinite in the mcu lol and a single universe isn’t

how is WoG directly stating what a character was destroying with there own power no proof of ap?

expect the watcher was pretty certain that vultron has the power to kill just about everything

0:37
And I’m pretty sure you can’t do that unless you can surprise infinity(or however that works)

that's such a huge ass stretch I don't even know what to say lol

How is that such a stretch in anyway shape or form? It’s clear as day his referring to the multivreses when talking about the soup part

 

[Coolboy6]

Ultron is literally mixing the multiverse like soup meaning that he’s mixing them all at once like soup. Did you even look at these emojis?

 

[Confluctor]

Because multivreses are infinite in the mcu lol and a single universe isn’t

Okay....?

how is WoG directly stating what a character was destroying with there own power no proof of ap?

Yeah, it ain't. It can be interpreted in literately anyway, and you chose to interpret it as 2-A feat.

Expect the watcher was pretty certain that vultron has the power to kill just about everything

0:37
And I’m pretty sure you can’t do that unless you can surprise infinity(or however that works)

Please elaborate

How is that such a stretch in anyway shape or form? It’s clear as day his referring to the multivreses when talking about the soup part

Again, you can **** over 50 universes at once and still consider it multiversal to a degree. You have to prove he is affecting most of this infinitely large multiverse in one attack - which he isn't.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Okay....?

Yeah, it ain't. It can be interpreted in literately anyway, and you chose to interpret it as 2-A feat.

Please elaborate

Again, you can **** over 50 universes at once and still consider it multiversal to a degree. You have to prove he is affecting most of this infinitely large multiverse in one attack - which he isn't.

This meaning he destroyed said infinity large multivreses

yeah it is, because there is evidence that suggest it is 2-a

he was stated to be a threat to every universe in the mcu and as we know there are multiple branches of infinite multivreses so the only way he could be a threat to everything is if he could surpass infinity

it’s been stated otherwise multiple times. Already have, he is.

 

[Confluctor]

This meaning he destroyed said infinity large multivreses

Show me on screen feat that comes even remotely close to it.

yeah it is, because there is evidence that suggest it is 2-a

No, it doesn't. Its suggesting literally anything.

he was stated to be a threat to every universe in the mcu and as we know there are multiple branches of infinite multivreses so the only way he could be a threat to everything is if he could surpass infinity

Yes. Did you know you can be tier 9 but the narrative can treat you a universal threat - without any special hax too?

it’s been stated otherwise multiple times. Already have, he is.

So can I see a scan of this said statement? The one where a character says he destroyed infinite universes in one go?

Or a more clear cut statement than whatever this is.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah this has been brought up before. The Stones on their own have a 3-A feat and Ultron's best showing is a Low 2-C feat that happened back to back. The twitter quote just back the Low 2-C rating and gives it a possibly higher statistic, which is what he currently is.

Also the MCU is just one Multiverse with infinite universes. Its part of the larger Marvel Multiverse from the comics and it has its own official Earth number. At worst its just some adjacent multiverse, not its own thing.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Show me on screen feat that comes even remotely close to it.

No, it doesn't. Its suggesting literally anything.

Yes. Did you know you can be tier 9 but the narrative can treat you a universal threat - without any special hax too?

So can I see a scan of this said statement? The one where a character says he destroyed infinite universes in one go?

Or a more clear cut statement than whatever this is.

I don’t see why need to do any on screen feat when WoG states that’s how his clearing out the mcu

I don’t see how my evdince is suggesting anything

Cool expect last time I checked narratives don’t go that far unless said tier 9 character has some device or a way to gain said universal lvl power. Kinda like vilgax or dr doom and last time I checked vultron was only using the stones to get the job done.

You already have, watcher and Bradley.

you mean a more clear cut statement then being stated that he would destroy everything in the mcu or the one where he was stated to be destroying multivreses? Because those seem pretty clear cut

Yeah this has been brought up before. The Stones on their own have a 3-A feat and Ultron's best showing is a Low 2-C feat that happened back to back. The twitter quote just back the Low 2-C rating and gives it a possibly higher statistic, which is what he currently is.

Also the MCU is just one Multiverse with infinite universes. Its part of the larger Marvel Multiverse from the comics and it has its own official Earth number. At worst its just some adjacent multiverse, not its own thing.

if he was just low 2-c then he wouldn’t be a threat to the entire mcu

dosen’t seem to be the case seeing as Bradley described vultron destroying more then one multivrese

 

[Qawsedf234]

I don’t see why need to do any on screen feat when WoG states that’s how his clearing out the mcu

WoG isn't saying that he's destroying multiverses and we never see him destroy multiverses. Ultron's ultimate plan was to wipe out the multiverse and it involved things like sending his drones to invade them rather than nuke them instantly.

if he was just low 2-c then he wouldn’t be a threat to the entire mcu

A Low 2-C in the Watcher's realm that can generate an infinite amount of soldiers is a major threat to the MCU. Look at what the TVA can do and they lack Ultron's power by and large.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

changing my opinion to neutral for now

 

[Confluctor]

I don’t see why need to do any on screen feat when WoG states that’s how his clearing out the mcu

I wonder why... oh, that's right. Because the on screen feats are very very low in tier 2. Whereas this one is wayyy too high.

I don’t see how my evdince is suggesting anything

You got something out of it tho lol

Cool expect last time I checked narratives don’t go that far unless said tier 9 character has some device or a way to gain said universal lvl power. Kinda like vilgax or dr doom and last time I checked vultron was only using the stones to get the job done.

Yeah, one universe at a time.

You already have, watcher and Bradley.

Where specifically?

you mean a more clear cut statement then being stated that he would destroy everything in the mcu or the one where he was stated to be destroying multivreses? Because those seem pretty clear cut

The former can be done through time. Give it a few million years and he might just do that. Or create a chain reaction. We don't know.

The latter comes from WoG which is grossly misinterpreted

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

WoG isn't saying that he's destroying multiverses and we never see him destroy multiverses. Ultron's ultimate plan was to wipe out the multiverse and it involved things like sending his drones to invade them rather than nuke them instantly.

A Low 2-C in the Watcher's realm that can generate an infinite amount of soldiers is a major threat to the MCU. Look at what the TVA can do and they lack Ultron's power by and large.

That looks like “multiverses” to me. Technically we do in his watcher fight. Because he wanted to wipe out life not necessarily the universe itself.

Being able to generate an endless amount of soilders is not the same thing has having infinite soilders(like on deck) since you can’t count up to infinity. You mean the same guys that only had to deal with a neutered timeline(thanks alioth) and stop an occasional deviant timeline but got completely overwhelmed when the sacred timeline was freed?

 

[Qawsedf234]

That looks like “multiverses” to me.

"Punching across multiverses" followed by "Universe soup". If the writer used "Multiversal or Multiverse soup" you would have a point, but they don't.

Lining it up with the episodes its more like that Ultron is attacking the multiverse (hence punching across them) and turning the universes he attacks into cosmic dust (Universe soup).

Ultron may be higher than Low 2-C, I will agree there. The issue here is that we have no hard evidence that quantifies how into 2-C /2-B/2-A it could be in. Without that his current rating is all he gets.

since you can’t count up to infinity

Yes you can. You're thinking of the larger uncountably infinity.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Neutral on this

 

[Coolboy6]

Ultron is literally mixing the multiverse like soup meaning that he’s mixing them all at once like soup. Did you even look at these emojis?

He’s literally mixing the multiverse together like soup. Did you people even read this or are you just choosing to ignore this just because?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Did you people even read this or are you just choosing to ignore this just because?

Well the tweet only has a heart emoji, so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I wonder why... oh, that's right. Because the on screen feats are very very low in tier 2. Whereas this one is wayyy too high.

You got something out of it tho lol

Yeah, one universe at a time.

Where specifically?

The former can be done through time. Give it a few million years and he might just do that. Or create a chain reaction. We don't know.

The latter comes from WoG which is grossly misinterpreted

You mean the feats of characters that vultron scales over quite a bit. I don’t see how when scales above most characters by quite a lot

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What are you talking about? Destroying a one universe at a time isn’t going to get you any closer to infinity lol and what chai reaction would destroy the mcu exactly?

It litterly isn’t lol, it’s very clear cut

 

[Coolboy6]

Well the tweet only has a heart emoji, so I don't know what you're talking about.

On my screen, it’s a soup emoji. Implying that Ultron can mix the multiverse together like it’s soup.

 

[Qawsedf234]

On my screen, it’s a soup emoji

Its just a single heart emoji

 

[Coolboy6]

Its just a single heart emoji

I’m on mobile and it literally shows up as a freaking soup emoji.

What it literally says on my screen.

 

[Jibz]

I’m on mobile and it literally shows up as a freaking soup emoji.

What it literally says on my screen.

the tweet shows up as a heart for me aswell. Are you referring to the tweet or your own comment?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

"Punching across multiverses" followed by "Universe soup". If the writer used "Multiversal or Multiverse soup" you would have a point, but they don't.

Lining it up with the episodes its more like that Ultron is attacking the multiverse (hence punching across them) and turning the universes he attacks into cosmic dust (Universe soup).

Ultron may be higher than Low 2-C, I will agree there. The issue here is that we have no hard evidence that quantifies how into 2-C /2-B/2-A it could be in. Without that his current rating is all he gets.

Yes you can. You're thinking of the larger uncountably infinity.

Why would a metaphor some how change what he was referring to? And if he actually meant just a universe or universes then there would be no point in even bringing up multivreses

seems more like he was killing everyone and ended up destroying multiverses in his fight with watcher

Ok. expect wog, even if you don’t want to go with 2-a, the fact that bradly stated he was destroying multivreses instead of just universes woukk on d atleast warrant an upgrade to 2-b

I guess, but wouldn’t he already have to start out with infinite solderis or something like that and then go up to like infinity 2 and 3 and even then wouldn’t he still need to surpass infinity since the infinite countable set litterly just goes on forever