upgrade 86 to speed of light reaction

[Wattana123]

(This post I recompiled because the old one was too hasty, causing incomplete information.)

I found something very interesting. It could be a very big upgrade.

From This and this shows that the Eighty-Six can react to the laser beam and dodge them in time.

And the laser beam clearly has the speed of light from this.

So I think they should get the speed reaction speed of light or at least Relativistic+.

In addition, upgrade the speed of Juggernaut and Reginleif as well as various firearms to Relativistic+ possibly Speed of ligth or FTL as well. and upgrade speed of all firearms to FTL.

And from this I think it should be given Relativistic+ combat with speed of light reaction to Shinei because he was able to shoot Ameise as it charged to kill him in time, and Shiden briefly fought Shinei as well.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

the new page is a little more direct but it being in book form is a bit of a problem since we have no idea how theyre avoiding them, they could easily just be aimdodging

do you know if this moment will ever adapted to the anime?

 

[Wattana123]

the new page is a little more direct but it being in book form is a bit of a problem since we have no idea how theyre avoiding them, they could easily just be aimdodging

do you know if this moment will ever adapted to the anime?

It will be a long time because the anime trend is quite quiet.

but anyway At least I think they deserve what this thread has written.

Then when the anime comes, I will adjust it again. because it would take many years.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

idk how usable this is, maybe try the calculation request thread?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Since we don't know the distance or anything, it should just be lowballed to Relativistic reaction speed

 

[Wattana123]

Since we don't know the distance or anything, it should just be lowballed to Relativistic reaction speed

What about the speed of the gun and Shinei combat?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

That's where i am very iffy about, like their weapons have explicitly stated speeds, which are nowhere near that high, their reactions being that high might also be problematic, but my memory is a little rusty right now to dig through whether that's the case.

But i still think it would be very problematic for their weapons to be close to light speed, when there are so many statements of several times the speed of sound, 1600m/s etc. Gonna have to say a hard no to that part.

 

[Wattana123]

That's where i am very iffy about, like their weapons have explicitly stated speeds, which are nowhere near that high, their reactions being that high might also be problematic, but my memory is a little rusty right now to dig through whether that's the case.

But i still think it would be very problematic for their weapons to be close to light speed, when there are so many statements of several times the speed of sound, 1600m/s etc. Gonna have to say a hard no to that part.

I think it's one of the contradictions. however We should all level it up, otherwise a supersonic bullet hitting object near-light speed doesn't make sense.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

we still dont know how theyre dodging and im not sure if youre allowed to assume rel without a calc

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Considering the number of supersonic statements i am inclined to be believe this is an outlier.

Undertaker fired.
A high-speed anti-armor explosive round, designed to travel eight thousand meters per second, that had its minimal-detonation-range setting disabled penetrated the armor, reducing the Löwe’s interior to ash with a fiery blast. By the time he had leaped from the smoking, crumbling remains of the Löwe, Undertaker had already set his sights on another target. Slipping through the barrage of bullets fired his way by the other Löwe’s coaxial machine gun in short leaps, Undertaker retracted one of his legs and slashed with his grappling arm—-Volume 1, Chapter 2

The Dinosauria rose to Shin’s challenge, the Ameise serving as its escort deploying around it. Every model of Legion except the Scout types had low sensory capabilities and received information via a data link with the Ameise, who sacrificed firepower for superior sensors. The units scattered around the Dinosauria served as its eyes.
A pair of Ameise standing at the front perceived the charging Juggernaut, transferring all manner of data and the footage from their optical sensors to the Dinosauria, which proceeded to swivel its main battery in Undertaker’s direction. The cannon roared. The Dinosauria’s turret—its 155 mm caliber cannon equal to an artillery gun—fired savagely, unleashing armor-piercing shells at a velocity that left even sound in its wake, impacting just ahead of Undertaker.-Volume 1, Chapter 7

The Republic’s last hope, the Gran Mule, was powerless to stop their advance. Its walls were blasted down by a Rail Gun type, capable of firing spherical ammunition at supersonic speeds of eight thousand meters per second. A new type of Legion the Spearhead squadron had once reported encountering… A report that had been discarded. The immobile fortress walls swiftly crumbled before the nightmarish force of their destructive supersonic projectiles.-Volume 1, Epilogue

And as the deafening roars of the Löwe’s consecutive cannon fire and their constant clouds of dust and rumbles fell silent, Eugene could finally hear it from afar, echoing like distant thunder. With an initial velocity of 1,600 meters per second, which far exceeded the speed of sound, the cannon’s shot made an impact long before it could be heard.-Volume 2, Chapter 1

“Our current hypothesis, based on the performance of the weapon employed against us, is that it was fired from an 800 mm caliber weapon, with a maximum range of four hundred kilometers and an initial velocity of eight thousand meters per second… We have concluded that the enemy is in possession of an electromagnetic railgun.” Ernst’s eyes narrowed. A railgun—a projectile weapon that used electromagnetic conduction to fire a round projectile between two rails. It consumed large amounts of electricity to do so and was a weapon that was extremely difficult to make in smaller sizes. It was also capable of firing projectiles at an extraordinarily fast speed compared to normal artillery’s limit of two thousand meters per second.-Volume 3, Chapter 6

“Change of target. Direction 280, distance 5,000. High-explosive anti-tank warheads—fire.”
At that moment, a line of fire concentrated on the Morpho from between the buildings tilting toward the crater’s bedrock. Ignoring all rules of artillery theory that dictated one must move after firing to avoid counterattack, the Morpho remained seated on its throne atop the pylon as the 88 mm rounds blanketed it. They were slower than high-speed anti-tank rounds but still achieved a speed several times faster than the speed of sound—it took the HEATs only mere seconds to traverse the five kilometers to their target.
Something lit up on the Morpho’s rear, and simultaneously its close-range defense systems kicked into action, its machine guns roaring as they mowed down the 88 mm rounds. Anju fired her missiles a moment later, but the Morpho calmly allowed its upper armor to absorb the blast of their smaller bombs, without a single one penetrating it…-Volume 3, Chapter 7

Chaika jumped out of the way, gaining distance so as not to get in the way of the battle. Abandoning its empty magazines, Undertaker braced itself. As it did, the Phönix jumped from spire to partition, kicking against their surfaces with blinding speed, closing the distance in the blink of an eye. The pieces of concrete and ice scattering into the air were the only way to track its movement by sight. Its silver shadow swooped on Undertaker, intermingling irregular hops to the left and right into its stride…
When …?
“Right on the money. You have to be a special kind of idiot to rush in like that.”
A cannon shell appeared by its flank. It was close-range bombardment, traveling faster than the speed of sound. The shooter was a Juggernaut hiding in the shadow of the spire. Kurena’s Gunslinger. Even if she did predict its trajectory, it still traveled at a speed unimaginable for a land weapon. She had discarded the weapon-control system’s support to begin with, achieving the miraculous feat of sniping it down based on intuition alone.
The shell traveled faster than the sound it left in its wake could, rushing forward with no sight laser, but the Phönix discerned it just by the muzzle flash. It canceled its jump by braking, just barely evading the round.-Volume 5, Chapter 4

But some of them took damage to their power systems, their cannons’ barrels, or their leg parts. Others had their armor completely bent from taking a blow from the massive kinetic energy of the shot, which traveled faster than the speed of sound. Some Alkonosts, which were overall less organized and less trained than the Eighty-Six were, had their cockpits blown clean off from a direct hit.-Volume 6, Chapter 4

And this is feats gathered from me being lazy, for the recent volumes i haven't been interested in gathering feats, just enjoying the story.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Could have also sworn i remember something from the more recent volumes about the characters using their radars to dodge attacks before they happen ie aim dodging.

Basically they get alerted an attack is coming, and they dodge before the attack is fired, something like that, that might also have been a thing from a while back, that requires a deep dive into things, which i don't have time for, i think the number of supersonic statements alone prove relativistic wouldn't be consistent though.

 

[Wattana123]

Could have also sworn i remember something from the more recent volumes about the characters using their radars to dodge attacks before they happen ie aim dodging.

Basically they get alerted an attack is coming, and they dodge before the attack is fired, something like that, that might also have been a thing from a while back, that requires a deep dive into things, which i don't have time for, i think the number of supersonic statements alone prove relativistic wouldn't be consistent though.

I read quite a lot before posting this thread. What the radar only captures is the position of the enemy. It is impossible to know where the attack will take place.

But it's your fact that it's inconsistent. So the only thing I can think of is to wait for A-1 or whatever studio to do Anime season 2 and then do the calculations for the most accurate.

But deep down I still believe that Relativistic - FTL speed is still possible. Just the present picture is not enough. So I will continue to wait for it. Because I still enjoy following these stories and capturing their successes.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Seeing the actual light dodging feats with visuals would be helpful, but if at that point we had in addition to all these supersonic statements, but also multiple speed calcs for the characters which aren't anywhere close to light speed, still gonna be an outlier, but anyway for now the light dodging feat looks like an inconsistency to me.

 

[Wattana123]

Seeing the actual light dodging feats with visuals would be helpful, but if at that point we had in addition to all these supersonic statements, but also multiple speed calcs for the characters which aren't anywhere close to light speed, still gonna be an outlier, but anyway for now the light dodging feat looks like an inconsistency to me.

Sorry, I see that many characters clearly have a constant speed. But it doesn't match the profile, which I'm not sure why. This may be because it is clearly calculated. But I think it might help regarding this topic. Because it shows that we don't always have to use the fixed speed mentioned in the story. What do you think?

 

[Amost6x]

Oh my god, why did I just come across this thread? I just want to say that the way he dodge the light is definitely not aim-dodge, the light will fall with the mark. where they rely on looking at the mark to dodge It was clear that he was dodging after the light was released. And about fixed speed, in many verses such as Jujutsu kaisen, he specifies a maximum speed of Mach 3, but within the story, there are many characters who can exceed that speed. I think this is out of the problem and agree with Rel.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I would assume in other verses, they consistently would exceed the stated speeds, reminds me of CW Flash with supesonic statements, yet consistently had feats way above that, in those cases it's fine.

Meanwhile here it's these specific light dodging stuff, which i assume is from the same volume/chapter? Idk where this is even from, but regardless, it's this vs an entire series of supersonic feats.

 

[Amost6x]

I don't quite understand what do you want to convey Sorry for my poor English skills.

 

[Amost6x]

if i got it right You're saying The Flash CW is just saying he's supersonic. but no fixed speed I disagree. In ss2 he still couldn't get to Mach 3.3 speed, but was able to reach Mach 54 speed in ss1. That doesn't make any sense. But it was accepted.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

No i am saying CW Flash has mach 3 statements, but even within the same season as those statements, he has multiple feats, which are above that.

I am asking you to show me that the supersonic statements in 86 like with CW Flash, are consistently contradicted.

 

[Amost6x]

There is even no mention that they can move faster than sound. But they've been shown to dodge the faster stuff, and in the case of Flash CW, it's not possible that in Season 2. He couldn't even run at Mach 3, but in the first season it was Mach 54 calc and it was used in the profile.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Seems like this is going on in circles (due to the language barrier)

I posted 8 quotes that put the characters at supersonic or slightly above, those are all from across multiple volumes, and it isn't even an exhaustive list.

Until you can show that light dodging or even any other sort of feat consistently happens over the series, not just a 1 off, i don't think it overturns the consistent supersonic feats, until then nothing changes in my opinion.

 

[Amost6x]

okay I understand I probably won't be able to do anything right now. And I don't want to bother you any more. But let me ask one last thing. If this scene was made in anime style and have the accepted calculations. By that time, are you willing to accept it?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

No, because it's just 1 feat.

I am asserting that it's an inconsistency, you have to prove it's not, that the characters are consistently faster than what the series states, therefore we can't use those statements to disprove them being relativistic.

 

[Testarossa002]

I'm pretty sure the octopus looking machine is regarded as a god tier
At least in the anime

It's hypersonic or so beam was depicted to be near instantaneous

Nobody should scale remotely close to that

At least in the anime

 

[Metalballrun]

SOme of the imgur links are dead.

 

[Amost6x]

Why haven't I seen other verses need to do this? Just have an acceptable calculation. Those values will also be used even if it contradicts the actual information in the story. JJK, for example, they indicate that the person with the fastest speed in the story. It has a speed of only Mach 3. But computations at higher than Mach 100 speeds can be used, or Flash CW that you're exemplified. He clearly defined speed limits for each range. In starting part Season 2, he was very clear that he couldn't run at speeds above Mach 3, but in his first season's key, there was one calculation. at speeds up to Mach 50 and can use And that was the only feat that exceeded the speed limit in the season as well. But it was still accepted.

 

[Testarossa002]

Why haven't I seen other verses need to do this? Just have an acceptable calculation. Those values will also be used even if it contradicts the actual information in the story. JJK, for example, they indicate that the person with the fastest speed in the story. It has a speed of only Mach 3.

Huh?
No

Once the mach 3 jjk showed up, all the other calculations were yeeted

Until Maki started reacting to him

And other verses definitely do this

Once inverse statements start contradicting calced scales, the statement takes precedence