Upcoming champs that achieved world championships against all odds (WWE vs Punch-Out)

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

Two upcoming champs that against all odds were able to become world champions in one corner we have Mr.Prototype, Mr. P?, It's Joooooohn Cena! in the other it's the bruiser from bronx, Three-time championship winner liiiiiiitle mac! Alright ladies and gentlemen here's the rules

Battle Takes Place in the WWE wrestling ring

Winner is determined by knockout

Speed equalized

Both are in their 9-B base tier

John Cena: 3

Little Mac: 2

Incon:

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Following

 

[Lacku]

Cena seems to have a 2x AP advantage as Mac is around 117 kilojoules while Cena at 9-B is bare minimum in the 200 kilojoule range. With this strength advantage and Cenas many moves, grapples and submissions that aren't limited to boxing I think he takes the win.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Cena seems to be better in just about every category here. Arguably more experience, better AP and durability, and more fighting techniques.

Voting Cena.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

Alr .w. Two for cena

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Cena via reasons above.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

3 for cena!

 

[CBslayeR]

Voting Little Mac because he's fought way crazier opponents than Cena has, is likely more skilled, is completely used to fighting people stronger than him, has higher LS and stamina (grappling is a no go for Cena here), and can amp himself with Star Punches.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

is likely more skilled

How skilled is he? Cena has been wrestling for about 2 decades, and has fought hundreds of opponents. And he should be comparable to people like Chris Jericho in skill, who knows 1004 holds.

is completely used to fighting people stronger than him,

So is Cena.

has higher LS

Fair, but Cena is more than skilled enough to find away around that. Plus, Cena's used to fighting people who has higher LS.

and stamina (grappling is a no go for Cena here), and can amp himself with Star Punches.

Fair.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Voting Little Mac because he's fought way crazier opponents than Cena has, is likely more skilled, is completely used to fighting people stronger than him, has higher LS and stamina (grappling is a no go for Cena here), and can amp himself with Star Punches.

Have to agree with him, Voting the Little burguer here

 

[JustANormalLemon]

How skilled is he? Cena has been wrestling for about 2 decades, and has fought hundreds of opponents. And he should be comparable to people like Chris Jericho in skill, who knows 1004 holds.

Well, mac can outskill people that are literaly cheating(acording to box rules) during fights, some that could even float and create clones, a acctual gorila and mike tyson for exemple

 

[Zackra1799]

Voting Little Mac because he's fought way crazier opponents than Cena has, is likely more skilled, is completely used to fighting people stronger than him, has higher LS and stamina (grappling is a no go for Cena here), and can amp himself with Star Punches.

Little Mac shouldn't even have that LS given it was rejected by armorchampy.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well, mac can outskill people that are literaly cheating(acording to box rules) during fights,

Cena has fought and defeated many wrestlers who are notorious for taking the easy way out to win a match (Edge, The Miz, etc.).

some that could even float and create clones,

That's a fair point.

a acctual gorila

Okay? John Cena would destroy an actual gorilla as well.

and mike tyson for exemple

Cena is just as, if not more skilled than Mike Tyson.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

alright two for mac .w. I can say that cena has fought the likes of the undertaker a undead magic man who creates lightning as well I can say the weird-ass rules of WWE are far more intense in WWE compared to what Aran Ryan does

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Cena has fought and defeated many wrestlers who are notorious for taking the easy way out to win a match (Edge, The Miz, etc.).

I mean, some brough literal weponary to the ring and some who brough armor to fight

Okay? John Cena would destroy an actual gorilla as well.

This gorila

Cena is just as, if not more skilled than Mike Tyson.

This was before he come back strongher in the wii game(the key we are using) so he is a lot more skilled now

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I can say that cena has fought the likes of the undertaker a undead magic man who creates lightning as well

He used It during fight? could you show a clip or something?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I mean, some brough literal weponary to the ring and some who brough armor to fight

Armor is valid, but weaponry is something Cena deals with on a regular basis.

This gorila

Cena is comparable to that. Besides, facing someone like The Undertaker is far more impressive than facing a Gorilla.

This was before he come back strongher in the wii game(the key we are using) so he is a lot more skilled now

Cena is still comparable to that in terms of skill. Cena is comparable to someone who knows 1004 holds.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Cena is comparable to someone who knows 1004 holds.

Kinda a nich skill cealing, Know 1004 moves don't mean you are good at using them

Cena is still comparable to that in terms of skill

at best they are equivalent in skill them

Armor is valid, but weaponry is something Cena deals with on a regular basis.

Fair

Cena is comparable to that. Besides, facing someone like The Undertaker is far more impressive than facing a Gorilla.

Who is Undertaker? just to have a idea




and mac also fough against a lot of people with afterimage creation as well

 

[RandomGuy2345]

He used It during fight? could you show a clip or something?

This right here.

This is canon to the WWE verse, as they do call backs to actual WWE storylines.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This right here.

This is canon to the WWE verse, as they do call backs to actual WWE storylines.

Ok... but where is jhon cenna vs undertaker?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Kinda a nich skill cealing, Know 1004 moves don't mean you are good at using them

Fair.

at best they are equivalent in skill them

Fine with me.

and mac also fough against a lot of people with afterimage creation as well

Undertaker has many hax as well, but I'll show you the matchups between him and Cena right quick.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Ok... but where is jhon cenna vs undertaker?

Here and here.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Here and here.

He did't fought the undertaker using all his magical powers so don't see if this applies

 

[RandomGuy2345]

He did't fought the undertaker using all his magical powers so don't see if this applies

The link I showed you of The Undertaker using his lightning on The New Day shows that he uses it in character.

Even then, this might be a AP stomp.

Cena is comparable to The Undertaker, who can survive crashing through 3 tables, which is equivalent to 932.1 Kilojoules, using the the amount of energy required to destroy a rectangular table multiplied by 3.

Little Mac's AP is only 117 Kilojoules iirc.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

The link I showed you of The Undertaker using his lightning on The New Day shows that he uses it in character.

but didn't used against cena in the fight

Even then, this might be a AP stomp.

Cena is comparable to The Undertaker, who can survive crashing through 3 tables, which is equivalent to 932.1 Kilojoules, using the the amount of energy required to destroy a rectangular table multiplied by 3.

Little Mac's AP is only 117 Kilojoules iirc.

The way the tables where adjusted would make It equivalent to suvive breaking trough a table 3 diferent times, It wasn't a table with the thickness of 3 tables

 

[RandomGuy2345]

The way the tables where adjusted would make It equivalent to suvive breaking trough a table 3 diferent times, It wasn't a table with the thickness of 3 tables

Exactly. The force of crashing through 3 tables would equate to that level of force.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Exactly. The force of crashing through 3 tables would equate to that level of force.

no, he tanked the force of crashing trough 1 table 3 diferent times very fast, If I punch you 3 times and you don't die this means you have dura to tank 3 punchs or the dura to tank one punch and used It 3 times?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

no, he tanked the force of crashing trough 1 table 3 diferent times very fast, If I punch you 3 times and you don't die this means you have dura to tank 3 punchs or the dura to tank one punch and used It 3 times?

Depending on how strong you are, yes.

Going through 3 tables at roughly the same time is that force 3x. I can see if Undertaker went through 1 table, and then the next minute he goes through another table. Then your would be valid, but he crashed through all 3 of them at basically the same time. Punching someone 3 times takes a lot longer than crashing through 3 tables virtually simultaneously.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Depending on how strong you are, yes.

Going through 3 tables at roughly the same time is that force 3x. I can see if Undertaker went through 1 table, and then the next minute he goes through another table. Then your would be valid, but he crashed through all 3 of them at basically the same time. Punching someone 3 times takes a lot longer than crashing through 3 tables virtually simultaneously.

Fair, still seens kinda iff to me but I guess it's fair

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

The link I showed you of The Undertaker using his lightning on The New Day shows that he uses it in character.

Even then, this might be a AP stomp.

Cena is comparable to The Undertaker, who can survive crashing through 3 tables, which is equivalent to 932.1 Kilojoules, using the the amount of energy required to destroy a rectangular table multiplied by 3.

Little Mac's AP is only 117 Kilojoules iirc.

Cena himself has tanked being smashed through two tables at once at the same time

To visualize it the tables were side to side and he fell ontop of them causing them to break in his fight with Seth Rollins

 

[ShockingPsychic]

John Cena's page got deleted but it should be back soon.

 

[Lacku]

Cenas page is now back

 

[Nierre]

following

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Cenas page is now back

Thanks to Cena's ability to RISE ABOVE HATE, AND NEVER GIVE UP!

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Well, back to dabate

May I ask how cena deal with someone thst dodges every thing?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well, back to dabate

May I ask how cena deal with someone thst dodges every thing?

He has faced wrestlers that are pretty elusive like Rey Mysterio.

He'll most likely try to wear down the opponent, or slow down the matchup with some submission holds that'll tire the opponent.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

He has faced wrestlers that are pretty elusive like Rey Mysterio.

He'll most likely try to wear down the opponent, or slow down the matchup with some submission holds that'll tire the opponent.

Well, holds will not work thanks to mac superior LS and Mac also has higher stamina so tring to wear mac down will work against him

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Doesn’t Mac’s Lifting Strength advantage put Cena at a massive disadvantage? Wrestling techniques against someone he can’t grapple

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Doesn’t Mac’s Lifting Strength advantage put Cena at a massive disadvantage? Wrestling techniques against someone he can’t grapple

Well, cena has a big AP advantage and mac only really punchs so the LS will only work to get out of grabs

 

[CBslayeR]

Well, cena has a big AP advantage and mac only really punchs so the LS will only work to get out of grabs

the ap advantage is only 2x